3/6- confusion vs technologic
 

my image should be a bit tighter than at 5/10+


POKERSTARS GAME #12746972790: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($3/$6) - 2007/10/20 - 19:38:56 (ET)
Table 'Shajna II' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Sauce123 ($1128.75 in chips)
Seat 2: technologic ($1412.75 in chips)
Seat 4: duyle ($260.60 in chips)
Seat 5: kondos 1 ($154 in chips)
Seat 6: krooptroop ($229.55 in chips)
D.R.JORA will be allowed to play after the button
duyle: posts small blind $3
kondos 1: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sauce123 [Ac Kc]
krooptroop: folds
Sauce123: raises $15 to $21
technologic: calls $21
duyle: folds
kondos 1: folds
*** FLOP *** [7s 8d Ah]
Sauce123: bets $39
technologic: calls $39
*** TURN *** [7s 8d Ah] [As]
Sauce123: checks
technologic: bets $90
Sauce123: raises $204 to $294
technologic: raises $1058.75 to $1352.75 and is all-in
Sauce123 said, "ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww"
Sauce123 said, "god"

Re: 3/6- confusion vs technologic
 

i rly dont know what most of you do here

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dont c/r the turn

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c/r sucks

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soooo bet/bet/bet

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don't c/r. bet turn. if you're gonna c/r anywhere, make it the river

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looks like a fold as played. i mean yeah in order for him to have a hand he woulda had to slowplay the flop, but all you've shown is massive strength so far and he's not the type for huge bluffs, and there's no way he does this w AQ imo.

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man u guys r all sooo right on this one i must suck (no levels)

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c/r is sexy awesome with sauce's image at the tables, how does techno play stats wise, and does he make big plays at pots?

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c/r is sexy awesome with sauce's image at the tables, how does techno play stats wise, and does he make big plays at pots?

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yea seriously guys i gotta get that godamn stack in there somehow right???? and im crazy/bad lag as em2 will readily attest

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c/r is sexy awesome with sauce's image at the tables, how does techno play stats wise, and does he make big plays at pots?

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This maybe be true but I find it hard to believe that Tech is value shoving a worse hand here.
Also this would be a pretty crazy bluff...

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Yeah I like the check raise for pot control, i can imagine techno thinking sauce is pushing him around because his range is weak and go call/call, which makes me seriously weirded out by his raise. I call.

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tech has 77 or 88 wayyy too often of the time here to make this a call imo.

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tech has 77 or 88 wayyy too often of the time here to make this a call imo.

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This is such a horrible mistake on tech's pot not raising the flop with a set though because of pot control, right?

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redgrape, what the fk are you talking about? is this some hilarious in-joke?

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^ no.

and why do you have to get your stack in the middle? if you haven't noticed, your hand did not improve over anything other than 78

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redgrape, what the fk are you talking about?

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It has a lot to do with metagame stuff tho. If tech has been calling a lot of flops and betting turns against sauce, he could decide to play a set this way cause he thinks it'll get sauce to put more money in.

Especially since tech is a nit, he's not gonna raise the flop for value a lot cause sauce knows tech is a nit, so he could lose value from like AT and AJ by raising the flop, but sauce could be convinced to put more moeny in on the turn.

I'm a lot spewier than tech is, and I'd just call this flop against sauce too. There's so many hands that sauce will just dump to a flop raise that it just seems smarter to try to build the pot on the turn.

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Also, tech would just call any worse Ace to the turn c/r cause he's not getting value from anything worse by shoving. So he has to bluff catch on the river.

I mean, I'd prob stack off here in the heat of the moment, but looking at the hand now it seems really obvious that AK is not possibly the best hand.

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Actually forget about metagame stuff, I think it's just poor practice to be raising a set on this flop. You have such a better chance of getting more money in on the turn than on the flop

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Dcal- i rly like all ur posts here.

one thing: ppl tend tend to crazy [censored] against me when i take one of my periodic clown-lines....

does that change anything??

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ive got him as 15/12 over 400 , and i never make big folds but still think you need a pretty sick read to call this.

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ive got him as 15/12 over 400 , and i never make big folds but still think you need a pretty sick read to call this.

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lol at 15/12

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dude i mean [censored] pot control over the whole realm of the concept. As in controlling the size of the pot to get his stack in. If he doesn't raise the flop he has no shot of getting his stack in.

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dude i mean [censored] pot control over the whole realm of the concept. As in controlling the size of the pot to get his stack in. If he doesn't raise the flop he has no shot of getting his stack in.

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this hand says different AMIRITE

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don't c/r. bet turn. if you're gonna c/r anywhere, make it the river

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Agree. I usually bet, but c/c and c/r is way more likely to get the money in the way we want and it tilts the [censored] out of 3/6 regs

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I don't think I like Villain's shove if he has a boat.

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yah well villain is some donkament player right?

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dude i mean [censored] pot control over the whole realm of the concept. As in controlling the size of the pot to get his stack in. If he doesn't raise the flop he has no shot of getting his stack in.

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wait what? who cares about getting your stack in. You should be playing to maximize ur expectation..... Also he did not raise the flop here and still got his stack in?

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dude i mean [censored] pot control over the whole realm of the concept. As in controlling the size of the pot to get his stack in. If he doesn't raise the flop he has no shot of getting his stack in.

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this hand says different AMIRITE

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pretty results oriented. how often does the action go like this on this board texture?

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well at least the turn means he could have T9ss lol 15/12

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I don't think I like Villain's shove if he has a boat.

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ya the more I think about this the more I like a call, but then I think about it some more and my mind reverts back to fold.
I have never played with tech (unless he plays on party too). If he has a boat, playing it this fast is pretty bad, considering he is scaring most of us off AK here (when if he just calls, we pretty much have to value bet river with our image).

So he might be raising as a bluff. Then again he would have to be pretty nuts to bluff rereraise this board with a turned combo draw. So I still have to doubt that he is bluffing. Meh I still say fold. Tech if you had a combo draw I kinda like the way you played it, but with a full I don't.

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dude i mean [censored] pot control over the whole realm of the concept. As in controlling the size of the pot to get his stack in. If he doesn't raise the flop he has no shot of getting his stack in.

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this hand says different AMIRITE

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pretty results oriented. how often does the action go like this on this board texture?

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still, the presumption that i have NO shot at getting stacks in is a bit newb

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dude i mean [censored] pot control over the whole realm of the concept. As in controlling the size of the pot to get his stack in. If he doesn't raise the flop he has no shot of getting his stack in.

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this hand says different AMIRITE

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pretty results oriented. how often does the action go like this on this board texture?

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still, the presumption that i have NO shot at getting stacks in is a bit newb

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yeah, I mean its not terrible to not raise flop. Also, sometimes you have to satisfied with playing it slower and extracting 2 bets considering how wide the opponents range is. Trying to maximize against AK-AQ is probably not going to make the most money with 777 in this spot

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i read the op, why is there so much talking going on in this thread

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lol

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How can anything but calling be best here?

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I don't think I like Villain's shove if he has a boat.

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ya the more I think about this the more I like a call, but then I think about it some more and my mind reverts back to fold.
I have never played with tech (unless he plays on party too). If he has a boat, playing it this fast is pretty bad, considering he is scaring most of us off AK here (when if he just calls, we pretty much have to value bet river with our image).

So he might be raising as a bluff. Then again he would have to be pretty nuts to bluff rereraise this board with a turned combo draw. So I still have to doubt that he is bluffing. Meh I still say fold. Tech if you had a combo draw I kinda like the way you played it, but with a full I don't.

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if i have 88, why should i just call here? a T/J/Q rier could kill my action for hands i'm ahead of, and he's also drawing for 7 outs if he has an ace.

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Cause you scare off any Ace.

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Cause you scare off any Ace.

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A call says 'I have a huge hand' too. Any smart opponent isn't putting in another dime unless he improves - unless he has AK and puts villain on AQ. Still, that's a mighty thin river vb if he does make it - if opponent is nitty.