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Papi Shasho 10-19-2007 05:56 PM

When do you guys get up from a LIVE cash game?
 
The few times I've gone to the casino to play cash games, I sit in a 1/2 NL table, and sit with $100. I get it up to about $150, but I keep playing and eventually lose it to set over set or something similar.

Do you guys have a specific way of knowing when you should get up? I feel like I stay too long, but I feel like if I don't at least double up, I haven't done much. Is 1.5x your buyin a decent session?

I know they say you shouldn't get up until you feel you're not playing optimal poker, but would you guys get up after you get up to something like 1.5x your buyin? Do you get up, keep the profit, and sit at another table with $100 again?

I never feel like I did anything when I'm up to 150 or so, but then I think about it, and $50 after an hour or so doesn't seem bad.

TheBad 10-19-2007 06:09 PM

Re: When do you guys get up from a LIVE cash game?
 
Dontīt play 1/2 for profit, play for fun. Stay as long as you have fun.

CheckCheckCheck 10-19-2007 06:20 PM

Re: When do you guys get up from a LIVE cash game?
 
Take Doyle's advice in SS. Stay in the game as long as you feel you have a positive expectation from it. If you feel that staying in the game will only lose you money, then leave. If you feel that you're a good player at the table and you're just running a little bad atm, then stay in.

LiveInPeace 10-20-2007 01:51 PM

Re: When do you guys get up from a LIVE cash game?
 
Forget the amount of money won/lost in one session! It's totally irrelevant to long run results.

Remember Brad's acronym when deciding whether to play or continue - FEAR.

1) Try to find [F]ish, loose players, players liable to tilt, players who don't understand the game well enough to make strong plays. Avoid playing against opponents who you believe are much more skilful than you.

2) Have [E]motional control. Do not play when you are on tilt, or liable to go on tilt. Tilt is very, very expensive in poker.

3) Have a professional [A]mount at risk. Do not play when you have so much on the table (or the min. buy-in is so high) that to lose it all would seriously hurt your bankroll.

4) Be [R]efreshed. Do not play when you are tired, irritated or generally not feeling well for any reason.

Follow these guidelines when you choose a game, or choose whether to contine and you won't go far wrong. Check for Fish, your Emotional control, your Amount at risk and how Refreshed you are. Then your opponents will surely FEAR you.

Papi Shasho 10-20-2007 02:07 PM

Re: When do you guys get up from a LIVE cash game?
 
Yeah, I'm thinking of playing the 2/5 NL game next time, but it's the same $100 max buyin...starting with 20 BB's might force me to tighten up and get paid more with big hands.

TheChad 10-20-2007 02:07 PM

Re: When do you guys get up from a LIVE cash game?
 
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Forget the amount of money won/lost in one session! It's totally irrelevant to long run results.

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yes, stop being results oriented. get up when you feel that you don't have at least half of the table owned (unless you are just a bunch of grinders beating the crap out of a live one). I will stay down to what I feel is 1/3 of the table is worse than I am, but I like to fold a lot and watch/learn. (example: I will open fold AJo UTG-MP just so I can have an excuse to watch.) But it really just comes down to where you think you will make money. I would have no problem sitting deep-stacked with a couple other deepish people as I can get out of the way of them tearing at some fishy. Then, if I pick up a monster, I can stack them too and make the monies!

Oh, and reread that FEAR thing. lack of emotional control and energy are the top killers of a roll.

SDone 10-20-2007 03:06 PM

Re: When do you guys get up from a LIVE cash game?
 
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Yeah, I'm thinking of playing the 2/5 NL game next time, but it's the same $100 max buyin...starting with 20 BB's might force me to tighten up and get paid more with big hands.

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That's not even worth playing.

BcnDiamond 10-20-2007 03:25 PM

Re: When do you guys get up from a LIVE cash game?
 
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Yeah, I'm thinking of playing the 2/5 NL game next time, but it's the same $100 max buyin...starting with 20 BB's might force me to tighten up and get paid more with big hands.

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I would never play a cash game where the max buy in is 20bb.


It looks like your afraid to keep playing when your up a certain amount, because your afraid to loose it all and would feel like you've been playing for nothing.
My advice would be to figure out how long you can keep playing optimal, for example 2.5 hours.. and leave the table for what it is, wheter your up or down.
Also don't keep playing if your afraid to play for your whole stack on very strong hands in fear of losing your winnings so far. You wouldnt be playing your best game and should leave. And don't compare previous sessions to the one your playing or going to play, you might get a set over set the first hand your playing or make a straight flush the last hand your playing.

PunkNoodle 11-04-2007 11:45 PM

Re: When do you guys get up from a LIVE cash game?
 
I get up when I get to $744.

jcl 11-05-2007 12:12 AM

Re: When do you guys get up from a LIVE cash game?
 
set urself a certain time to leave usually before a time charge if they have it at ur casino. this means u dont start thinking 'man i shoulda quit 30 mins ago' because u no u cant leave until that time has come.

Javanewt 11-05-2007 11:20 AM

Re: When do you guys get up from a LIVE cash game?
 
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set urself a certain time to leave usually before a time charge if they have it at ur casino. this means u dont start thinking 'man i shoulda quit 30 mins ago' because u no u cant leave until that time has come.

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This is true. Yesterday when we said we were going to leave at 6:00 pm, I was up $200. When I instead left at 3:00 am, I was down $300. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Mazzinger 11-05-2007 11:39 AM

Re: When do you guys get up from a LIVE cash game?
 
Forget about how much money you're up. Play until you feel is not fun anymore or you think you're not playing you're best poker.

SellingtheDrama 11-05-2007 11:58 AM

Re: When do you guys get up from a LIVE cash game?
 
I'm a purely live player (AC). I leave when I don't think the game is +EV anymore.

Reasons for this range from: bad players being replaced by good ones, I'm tired/headache, I'm having trouble focusing, etc.

If you are a 'local' player where the game will still be there tomorrow, next week, whenever - get up sooner rather than later. Come back fresh and keep at it. There are countless players that I see regularly who are +EV when they are sober/fresh, but get tired and/or start drinking and get broke. Don't be them...please don't.

And for 'what is a decent win' - it so doesn't matter. You're only getting a couple hundred hands - it just comes down to making those good decisions and figuring out if you made good value on the ones you should profit on, and if you saved money when you were beat.

eMedia 11-05-2007 02:36 PM

Re: When do you guys get up from a LIVE cash game?
 
Leave the table when you feel you should leave. Don't look at your chip stack.

SellingtheDrama 11-05-2007 02:48 PM

Re: When do you guys get up from a LIVE cash game?
 
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Leave the table when you feel you should leave. Don't look at your chip stack.

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QFT

I always know where I'm at, but generally wish I didn't because I know its affecting me subconsciously. (I'm pretty good at eyeballing chips and figuring out amounts, won a few bets at the table because of it).

Davdob 11-05-2007 04:06 PM

Re: When do you guys get up from a LIVE cash game?
 
3:30am

Albert Moulton 11-05-2007 04:52 PM

Re: When do you guys get up from a LIVE cash game?
 
The best thing to do is to set a time for yourself at which you plan to go home, but be flexible about that time if the game is either too tough to stay, or too soft to leave. Planning to play for 6 hours is good, in my opinion. Too much more and you run the risk of getting tired. Too much less, and you don't have time to take advantage of the reads you get and the image you create over the first few hours of play.

Then, when the planned time comes, unless there is some really compelling reason to stay longer, you should just go. There will be another session soon enough.

I also usually leave after getting down for a single session by more than two 100 bb buy-ins because I just don't play as well when I'm that far stuck as when I'm even or ahead for a single session. It's not so much a monetary loss-limit, so much as my own self-prescribed form of tilt prevention.

It's pretty rare to get down two full buy-ins, however, if you are in a decent live game, and you have lots of patience.

jcl 11-05-2007 10:12 PM

Re: When do you guys get up from a LIVE cash game?
 
That's obviously the ideal way but a lot of people can't do it. It's also very hard to judge when EV changes or to admit you're tilting (and you can be tilting yet still +EV remember, do you still leave?). Hence imposing arbitrary rules might be the best way, just not the 1.5 buyins one that OP mentioned.

TheChad 11-05-2007 10:14 PM

Re: When do you guys get up from a LIVE cash game?
 
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Leave the table when you feel you should leave. Don't look at your chip stack.

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wise words


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