400NL - safe to fold TPTK in a reraised pot here, right?
 

villain is 45/11/1.7 over 180 hands. I've isolated him a few times lately, so I might be getting on his nerves. In general this is going to be a monster too often too call, correct? In hindsight, I think it's probably best to just check the flop.

note his limp reraise

Blinds: $2/$4
4 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $621.00
Hero: $468.45
SB: $804.90
BB: $276.20

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $18</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $44</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($94, 2 players)
UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $56</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $150</font>, Hero _______?

Re: 400NL - safe to fold TPTK in a reraised pot here, right?
 

Id probably check the flop, but as played i guess folding is best

Re: 400NL - safe to fold TPTK in a reraised pot here, right?
 

You gotta check this flop.

Re: 400NL - safe to fold TPTK in a reraised pot here, right?
 

If he is a good/tricky player than too many times he will be raising you with the 2nd best hand because he took the lead preflop, and is raising you off the best hand.

I say check this flop as well.

Re: 400NL - safe to fold TPTK in a reraised pot here, right?
 

its not even an issue if hes tricky, plus from his stats i just inferred that he wasnt. With his stats his 3betting range is very narrow, which means you are wa/wb here, and not going to get 3 streets of value from any hand, so just check the flop

Re: 400NL - safe to fold TPTK in a reraised pot here, right?
 

i would fold this 0% of the time and be looking to get it in on the next street if possible 100% of the time. the only consideration is whether to push now or call and give him rope (and whether to check back the turn if he checks or just push then).

Re: 400NL - safe to fold TPTK in a reraised pot here, right?
 

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its not even an issue if hes tricky, plus from his stats i just inferred that he wasnt. With his stats his 3betting range is very narrow, which means you are wa/wb here, and not going to get 3 streets of value from any hand, so just check the flop

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wow. wtf. AK on an A hi flop vs a 45 VPIP guy is like 8 streets worth of value.

Re: 400NL - safe to fold TPTK in a reraised pot here, right?
 

xorbie, did you notice that villain limp-reraised preflop? You're not concerned by this, and his follow up with a C/R on the flop?

Re: 400NL - safe to fold TPTK in a reraised pot here, right?
 

idk im pretty concerned when a 45/11 limp RR me preflop tbh, maybe im a nit or an idiot? idk then he c/r a dangerous board, wtf, i mean we have to hope he is just completely bluffing? Stacking off here seems really bad unless the guy is just on complete monkey tilt or something

Re: 400NL - safe to fold TPTK in a reraised pot here, right?
 

you call the lrr you get it in when you hit.
Am I missing something?

Re: 400NL - safe to fold TPTK in a reraised pot here, right?
 

yea he lrr. and cr flop. he has AA QQ a ton in my experience, and i hate limp reraisers and love to stack them. check back flop.

Re: 400NL - safe to fold TPTK in a reraised pot here, right?
 

weird hand, I auto check this flop

Re: 400NL - safe to fold TPTK in a reraised pot here, right?
 

omg get it in please.

Re: 400NL - safe to fold TPTK in a reraised pot here, right?
 

check flop

Re: 400NL - safe to fold TPTK in a reraised pot here, right?
 

Ooh, this reminds me of a fun hand I posted quite some time ago--got a lot of heated discussion:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...rue#Post9646050

Moral of the story is: people who play 45/11 are complete donktards who could have anything, even when they lrr. One way or another, get all your chips in here.

Re: 400NL - safe to fold TPTK in a reraised pot here, right?
 

Solid point about calling the limp reraise preflop and then considering folding when you hit TPTK. However, even given that, as played this is probably a fold.

Re: 400NL - safe to fold TPTK in a reraised pot here, right?
 

checking this flop is stupid.

Re: 400NL - safe to fold TPTK in a reraised pot here, right?
 

i dont think checking or betting is bad, but when you bet you are never ever folding

Re: 400NL - safe to fold TPTK in a reraised pot here, right?
 

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checking this flop is stupid.

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Umm definitely not.

Re: 400NL - safe to fold TPTK in a reraised pot here, right?
 

wow, what a mixed bag of replies.

I'm still confused.

Preflop is standard right?

I agree that it's probably best to just check back the flop.

Any more thoughts on wtf to do after he c/r me?

thanks.

Re: 400NL - safe to fold TPTK in a reraised pot here, right?
 

i'd fold here. He isn't going to be doing this with AJ, he has you a large % of the time.

Re: 400NL - safe to fold TPTK in a reraised pot here, right?
 

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i would fold this 0% of the time and be looking to get it in on the next street if possible 100% of the time. the only consideration is whether to push now or call and give him rope (and whether to check back the turn if he checks or just push then).

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obv. don't push the flop if you're getting it in.

Re: 400NL - safe to fold TPTK in a reraised pot here, right?
 

Either check the flop or bet/gogogo .

Re: 400NL - safe to fold TPTK in a reraised pot here, right?
 

I like checking the flop unless you have a better read.