AA. When is enough enough?
 

A little background on this player.

He is a Borgata regular (Swami, for those who are interested) and has been drinking. He's better than average, he knows how to fold, knows how to raise. He's tight, aggressive, but I dunno if he's TAG. He definitely respects my game and we've tussled a little bit this session.

I have AA in the SB.

MP raises, I make it trey, Swami caps it from the BB, we all call.

Flop of 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

I check, Swami bets, MP calls, I C/R, he treys, MP folds, I cap.

Turn: J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

I bet, he raises, I call.

River: K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

I check, he says "I'm afraid you might be checking to check-raise, but you know me, Adam, and I can't leave any money on the table" and fires.

My move?

Anything other than calling terrible?

Re: AA. When is enough enough?
 

ur beat

Re: AA. When is enough enough?
 

call. probably lose.

if i was really amazing good i would fold, but im not.

Re: AA. When is enough enough?
 

Call. Honestly if he knows what he's doing he's either got the other 2 aces or 2 of the 3 remaining kings. That gives you a 25% chance to chop I reckon....

Re: AA. When is enough enough?
 

Jacks?
Anyway it is just a call. If he has QQ good for you that's why you called.

Re: AA. When is enough enough?
 

Yup, what they said.

don't forget to order another round.

Re: AA. When is enough enough?
 

I think you're wicked beat. It's probably wrong to do so, but I think I could fold this in my live game. I'm just saying.

Call and expect to lose.

Re: AA. When is enough enough?
 

We really are soooo beat here.

I have had enough.

Re: AA. When is enough enough?
 

Yeah, he could also have Jacks sometimes, or maybe queens. I don't see how you can fold for one bet in this pot, and I also don't see how you can consider raising, given that the only thing that could possibly accomplish is to get exactly AA to fold his half of the pot...maybe.....

Re: AA. When is enough enough?
 

I'm not considering raising. My opponent thinks I am (I believed him too, when he said this.)

Re: AA. When is enough enough?
 

wow, i can't describe to you how bad folding is here.

Re: AA. When is enough enough?
 

Folding is terrible. Are you 90, 95% certain you are beat? Hell, nothing in life is so certain, definitely not at a 3/6 live table. Pot is large. At least call if you're worried. Maybe he has AK/AJ or hearts, which you can beat.

Or you lose, but it's easily worth that one last call to find out. I'd say you win more than 5/10% of the time - I really do not like to fold the one last big bet in a big pot (heads-up especially), I will sometimes call with A high in this situation if villian is LAGgy enough (missed semi-bluff/draw) and the pot is huge. If he has you beat he beat you a while ago and not on this one last river bet. Plus the table talk did not scare me and may have been intended to. I am no expert just regurgitating what I read in "Small Stakes Hold 'Em".

Re: AA. When is enough enough?
 

[grunch]

I wish I was good enough to fold this, because he almost always has JJ/KK here.

Re: AA. When is enough enough?
 

What is this "if I ws better I would fold"?

This is like the big laydowns are what make great players type of thinking. Paying off with good hands is part of the game. We call and we win often enough to make it profitable.

Folding - if it is an option - is highly read specific and I don;t like it anyway. Call - if he made his set get him next time when you make yours and both keep dominating the loose, poorly skilled and passive players at this limit.

Re: AA. When is enough enough?
 

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[grunch]

I wish I was good enough to fold this, because he almost always has JJ/KK here.

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Why do I constantly hear stuff like this in SS? Even if his range is AA, KK, JJ, we still have the odds to call for our half of the pot.

Re: AA. When is enough enough?
 

In this case there is some doubt if your hand is goot or not, Villain is drinking, pot is good sized=call. He leads into you on the river with all that action it doesn't look good for you but call. Also when he talks what does that tell you? I make laydowns occasionally when there is no doubt that I am beat but our reads have to be very very specific and we have to know the player pretty well.

We should rephrase the phrase "If I were good enough I could fold this" to "I am good enough so I am Calling this" [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Ni Han

Be interested to see what The Great Swami had here after some others have chimed in

Re: AA. When is enough enough?
 

What did Swami have?

Re: AA. When is enough enough?
 

If my calculations are correct there are 13.5 BB's in the pot. We need to win this one time in about 13 or 14 times at the river here just to break even. Once in a while we will pick this up. But as many have said...you are probably beat. I think you are probably beat here. But I think you need to call on the end here. I would be curious to know the results.

Re: AA. When is enough enough?
 

From SSHE Page 202: " Even if you are almost sure that you are beaten, when the pot is large on the river, do not fold decent hands for one bet. "

Re: AA. When is enough enough?
 

Jacks. He filled up on the turn.