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Button is MEEEEEEEEEE. Barrin is std 22/18 aggrotag.



Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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MP: $200
CO: $300.55
BTN: $270.75
SB: $201.55
BB: $123.25
Hero (UTG): $200

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $7</font>, 2 folds, BTN calls $7, 2 folds

Flop: ($17) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $14</font>, BTN calls $14

Turn: ($45) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($45) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $40</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $249.75 and is All-In</font>,

Re: Barrin wanted me to post this... VILLAIN IS ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

OBV CALL IM DRUNK LOL

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villain is probably on monkey tilt; snapcall

srsly though I dunno what he's repping; 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] is like one hand; would he be tricky enough to check behind on such a drawy turn with a monster?

without reads/history I'd call

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cawl

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100% history, leveling based.

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5s6s maybe? Or just 56o?

Since there is a missed flush draw, if he made a straight he can overbet it. I don't think there is enough in the pot for him to bluff so I'd fold, thinking he has a straight often.

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100% history, leveling based.

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If this is the case his range is something like air-----&gt;nuts

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call quick. he is repping like 1 hand unless he's being a super sneaky ninja.

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call. i think you put him on a draw and also had a draw yourself.

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Call. Button can't show up with a real hand here.

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call because [censored] you that's why!

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All, UTG is barrin, and i'm button.

History is that i'm generally a gigantic spewtard.

My reads are that his hand is generally face up as a Q/x'ish type hand; however, generally would feel he would double barrel spades or diamonds.

Also, given my knowledge of his hand I hardly ever would call with worse but would shove QJ+, and also turn hands into bluffs.

Essentially I never have a monster though, yeah?

edit i am also aware it's higher unlikely for either of us to show up with a monster

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Essentially I never have a monster though, yeah?

[/ QUOTE ] Well he beats anything but a monster, so...

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Thoughts on check calling river to induce the spewtard into a bluff with his busted draw/overcards? I hate making value bets after a turn check on a draw heavy board. It makes you bluffable when the river appears to blank. I think a spewtard will bluff with a wider range if you check the river.

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More likely to be bluffing than normal, maybe, but I still like to vbet here. Lots of spewtards are jacking the flop with overs+FD, or betting the turn with just overcards, and it's really rare that we're beat here.

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More likely to be bluffing than normal, maybe, but I still like to vbet here. Lots of spewtards are jacking the flop with overs+FD, or betting the turn with just overcards, and it's really rare that we're beat here.

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I don't disagree.

This is the type of situation where pokey used to chime in with some math and a comment like "He has to bluffing at least xx% more often to make a check/call more profitable than a value bet."

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Also, given my knowledge of his hand I hardly ever would call with worse but would shove QJ+,

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QJ is too thin here.

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Also, given my knowledge of his hand I hardly ever would call with worse but would shove QJ+,

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QJ is too thin here.

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Don't think so as long as he occasionally folds QJ, KQ, and spite calls with 77-JJ.

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quite unlikely he has 88-JJ given action, but dynamics could change that i guess.

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Call call call call.

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you guyz all got owned by fonkey's awesome line

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i would fold because barrin's hand is faceup as Qx, and i don't think fonkey would try to bluff him off top pair with such a nutty line. and a set or 56 are very easy hands for fonkey to have at this point.

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you guyz all got owned by fonkey's awesome line


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This def is a sweet line with 56 or 33.

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Why does everyone wanna call here so bad?
I can't remember the last time I got bluffraised big on river in a $1/2 game.

This isn't even tricky for 56 either.

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meh...i probably fold. if villan is tricky, there are plenty of hands that crush us.

though, i guess it is TP. i think that a fold is good here, but at the table, i'd probably call.

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I'm totally confused by this thread.

His hand is face up as Qx?
He would double barrel spades and diamonds?

Seriously?

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I don't know if your asking or what.
No way Barrin's hand is face up as a Q. Wtf?

edit: oh, your responding to Fonkey saying that about the Qx. I don't know how he puts him on a Q exactly. His range is much bigger than that on river.

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I'm totally confused by this thread.

His hand is face up as Qx?
He would double barrel spades and diamonds?

Seriously?

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Against this specific opponent, yes and yes.

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I think if he wanted to bluff he's just double barrel the turn, and raise, bet, check, bet is usually a one pairish hand and hardly ever a bluff.

Maybe not specifically Q/x, but I'm not sure if he value towns 88-JJ.

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[censored] ! I thought he bet every street. Ok, it is polarized a tad more to a Q

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i actually think that hero's line should have been bet/bet/shove. or sometimes bet/bet/check i guess.

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i actually think that hero's line should have been bet/bet/shove. or sometimes bet/bet/check i guess.

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That or c/rai on turn. I'd be putting fonkey on a midpair, draw, or pure float so I like c/raise all in. Even if he has TT and snapcalls we got like 6 million outs.

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I'm totally confused by this thread.

His hand is face up as Qx?
He would double barrel spades and diamonds?

Seriously?

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you're right, let me rephrase.
i think that barrin's range is bluffs or qx, maybe very rarely a 7x type hand going for value, but i think most hands that would bet this riv for value would be betting the turn generally for value/balance double barrels, except for Qx obv, since it just hit on the river.
so barrin's hand isn't rly faceup as Qx by the river, but it's either that or a random bluff.

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wow, initially i thought that barrin (hero) was in position, not fonkey. that makes the hand more of a mind [censored], but i'm still gonna go with what i said earlier

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you guyz all got owned by fonkey's awesome line

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he had AQ right?

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you guyz all got owned by fonkey's awesome line

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he had AQ right?

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how would he get to the river like this with AQ?

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Don't think so as long as he occasionally folds QJ, KQ, and spite calls with 77-JJ.

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So you want him to fold top pair but call mid pair???

EDIT: I cannot put fonkey on two cards that win so [censored] IT I'M GOIN DEEP

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fonkey sends me like two hands a day where he has air here, call

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Bump

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I don't know whether Hero should call. But Hero probably shoudn't bet unless he's going to call (i.e., induce a big bluff), cause I really don't see much value here by betting, and a spewtard will bluff when Hero checks a huge % of the time.