10/25 Live, 2 Pair River VBet?
 

Caesar's 10/25nl, 3-Handed.

Villian is a youngish guy (25 maybe) and seems reasonable enough so far, nothing too noteworthy when we were 6-handed. Game just got 3-handed, not too aggressive so far, but we've only been 3-handed for maybe 3 orbits.

Effective stacks are about 3000.

Hero has T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in the BB.

Preflop
BTN raises to 75, SB (Villian) calls, Hero calls.

Flop (225): Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Checks around.

Turn (225): 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
SB bets 225, Hero raises to 800, BTN folds, SB calls.

River (1825): 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
SB checks, Hero...

Valuebet this?

Re: 10/25 Live, 2 Pair River VBet?
 

1. it's live
2.it's 3handed
3. you've got 2pr
4. it's live
5. there's no 4card straight or flush
5. it's live

adds up to a value bet to me

Re: 10/25 Live, 2 Pair River VBet?
 

i bet 3/4 of the pot on the river

Re: 10/25 Live, 2 Pair River VBet?
 

I value bet this all day, if he comes over the top ill fold.

He had a straight probably right?

Re: 10/25 Live, 2 Pair River VBet?
 

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1. it's live
2.it's 3handed
3. you've got 2pr
4. it's live
5. there's no 4card straight or flush
5. it's live

adds up to a value bet to me

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lol

Re: 10/25 Live, 2 Pair River VBet?
 

I'd bet 1200 and expect top pair to fold..Seems too weak to check this back imo.

Re: 10/25 Live, 2 Pair River VBet?
 

i dunno actually, i think he has a set here or the lower straight a lot and if not i don't think he pays you off. people play very weak on turns in live poker without the nuts... i would check this i think. (unless your image is insane)

Re: 10/25 Live, 2 Pair River VBet?
 

id raise less on turn, i think you can get more value that way

Re: 10/25 Live, 2 Pair River VBet?
 

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id raise less on turn, i think you can get more value that way

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yup.

Re: 10/25 Live, 2 Pair River VBet?
 

Raise less on turn, bet 1/2 pot or check the river, I see no reason why he'd pay off a big bet here with QJ or w/e if he's reasonable.......but it's live and people never cease to amaze me so what do I know?

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id raise less on turn, i think you can get more value that way

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So maybe something like raise to 650 on the turn, and then a little 800 on the river? Yeah, I like that.

Re: 10/25 Live, 2 Pair River VBet?
 

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id raise less on turn, i think you can get more value that way

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So maybe something like raise to 650 on the turn, and then a little 800 on the river? Yeah, I like that.

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Not sure on this, depends on his range. I think whether this is a v bet depends on info not presented. If this is a standard live guy who is somewhat nitty postflop and loose pre he could easily have 2pr and set type hands here that beat you and probably might not pay off river with 1 pair, right? I think it depends on his preflop range and tendencies, this is tough.

How bad is flat calling turn?

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id raise less on turn, i think you can get more value that way

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So maybe something like raise to 650 on the turn, and then a little 800 on the river? Yeah, I like that.

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But don't draws make up a pretty big part of his range? If so, you want to get money in on the turn, and you shouldn't expect much on the river.

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How bad is flat calling turn?

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Pretty bad imo. There's so many Jx hands that have pair+straight draw that I don't want to give a cheap card to. Plus there's a guy behind me who can call with a hand like that if I just call.

Re: 10/25 Live, 2 Pair River VBet?
 

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1. it's live
2.it's 3handed
3. you've got 2pr
4. it's live
5. there's no 4card straight or flush
5. it's live

adds up to a value bet to me

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