Final Table FT 55k 88 hand...
 

There are 6 players left. There are no monster stacks or super shorties... everyone is within striking distance.

Blinds 5,000/10,000 (1,000... i think). I have 160,000 at the start of the hand.


I am in the bb with 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. UTG raises to 30,000, utg+1 calls, and it folds to me.

There are roughly 80,000 chips in the pot. My first instinct was to push... standard?

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yep

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looks good

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I don't think this is a standard push. What are UTG and UTG+1 like. If you push here and are called, you are at best a coin flip and often a 4:1 dog. It won't be that easy to "steal" the pot with 2 people to get through, but there is a lot of money in the pot.

I would guess at least 75% of the time you are called by 1 player and he will be 50% of the time a coin flip and 50% of the time a 4:1 favorite. Maybe this is pessimistic, but with these numbers it is -ve ev by about a SB

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Reads?
Shove seems good

reads depend a lot on the cold caller.

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reads and stacks on both players as well as prize structure is necessary, looks like a fold though with the info provided even though its close.

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My first instinct was to push... standard?

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Yes, especially if they will call light putting you on a pure steal.

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Your comin in here to say that they might put you on a "pure steal?" cmon now

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Your comin in here to say that they might put you on a "pure steal?" cmon now

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Pure steal? No one makes a squeeze play with junk. This is my hand from the final table bubble of the 100r last night.

With 88, I think you are better off taking the pot than getting called by a loose range. The raiser and callers likely have some kind of hands, and 88 is not a huge favorite.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1200 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP1 (t87262)
Hero (t23199)
CO (t74095)
Button (t11388)
SB (t74973)
BB (t33084)
UTG (t13604)
UTG+1 (t58605)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t3600</font>, CO calls t3600, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t32959</font>, Hero calls t19474 (All-In), CO folds.

Flop: (t60383) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t60383) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t60383) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t50498

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has 7h 2c (one pair, fours).
Hero has Qh As (one pair, fours).
Outcome: Hero wins t50498. BB wins t9885. </font>

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oh well i misread positions here, seems fine unless u think UTG+1 call is terribly strong

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shove readless but if utg+1 has shown a propensity for tricky play you may want to reconsider.

Does anyone sng here?

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Some clarifications/thoughts...

Obviously I have to be worried about either one of them having a real hand. Conventional wisdom tells us that the UTG raiser is repping a big hand, and UTG+1 knows that, making the call even stronger. However, these 2 particular players had around 20 bb's (UTG could easily be stealing, and UTG+1 probably wants to get the money in with a good hand with his stack) and had both been picking spots to take down pots preflop. The UTG+1 call didn't seem particularly strong to me. He has 4 players to act behind him, and will certainly want to isolate/build a pot with a big hand. Plus he is probably giving the UTG raise more credit than usual, so should expect to be able to get some more money in pre. The OR raise was kind of small, only 3 bb's, so he has to know that once he just calls, he's inviting the rest of us (especially the blinds) to get in and speculate. It's hard for me to recall specific reads because this happened a few days ago, but I do know that neither player had been playing particularly tight. Of course, it's a 6 handed table, so we don't have to give UTG as much credit and neither does UTG+1.

I think my stack size has to play a big role in this decision. I have 150,000, there is 80,000 in the pot, and I should have a lot of fold equity. It seems like either player can only call with TT+, AK... maybe 99 and AQ but definately not AJ, and might fold the bottom end of that range. Neither player will be getting great pot odds, and both have enough chips to pass on a gamble.

Pay structure is like this:

1st $15,000
2nd $9,000
3rd $7,000
4th $5,000
5th $4,000
6th $3,000

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I know that this calling range might be too tight, but based on the situation I didn't see either player calling light thinking I'm on a pure resteal here. Everyone was playing pretty careful, and would certainly want to save their chips and look for spots to apply pressure with FE rather than call off their stack on a hunch. Do you think 88 is over or under repped here?