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loosbastard 10-18-2007 09:49 PM

Weeee...small suited connectors are fun!
 
MP opener is on the nittier side of TAG. CO is TAGish and button is a total donk.

I figure CO has something like 88/99 here. Given board texture and the pot being multi-way, I think he's raising a set pretty much every time. Button is a total donk...so he really never has much here. My only concern was MP, but I think has an over-pair a lot of the time...and he might even lay it down given how strong my C/R looks given that it's 4-way.

Ridiculously standard?

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

MP: $101
CO: $232.40
BTN: $185.90
Hero (SB): $190.60
BB: $128.45
UTG: $106.95

Pre-Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $4</font>, CO calls $4, BTN calls $4, Hero calls $3.50, BB folds

Flop: ($17) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">MP bets $12</font>, CO calls $12, BTN calls $12, <font color="red">Hero raises to $48</font>

nazahl 10-18-2007 10:01 PM

Re: Weeee...small suited connectors are fun!
 
lol whats the plan if you get called?

SonOfWestwood 10-18-2007 10:06 PM

Re: Weeee...small suited connectors are fun!
 
Maybe it's a bit nitty, but I fold this pre-flop.

As played, I just call the flop. You're getting good immediate odds to hit.

loosbastard 10-18-2007 10:06 PM

Re: Weeee...small suited connectors are fun!
 
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lol whats the plan if you get called?

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Like I said...I'm not too worried about CO because he's pretty straightforward TAG and is almost always raising w/ 2pair+ here. I did really have to consider this though because being called or shoved on by him would really really suck given stacks.

loosbastard 10-18-2007 10:08 PM

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As played, I just call the flop. You're getting good immediate odds to hit.

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That was the plan until everybody and their [censored] dog called. So much dead money!

Some9 10-18-2007 10:10 PM

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I play it the same. They fold a ton and you pocket a big pot with nothing.

Ok here's the problem: vs CO you are 200 deep. He could potentially call you c/r with another SD or FD thinking he gets implied odds.

Minor problem. nh.

nazahl 10-18-2007 10:10 PM

Re: Weeee...small suited connectors are fun!
 
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lol whats the plan if you get called?

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Like I said...I'm not too worried about CO because he's pretty straightforward TAG and is almost always raising w/ 2pair+ here. I did really have to consider this though because being called or shoved on by him would really really suck given stacks.

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thing is, its likely someone out there has a flush draw. which puts you in a really bad spot if he just says "[censored] it" and shoves, or puts you in a really awkward spot on the turn if he just flat calls your raise.

ajmargarine 10-18-2007 10:18 PM

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Ridiculous<strike>ly standard?</strike>!!!



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They need to invent a new word to describe this hand. Spew doesn't do it justice.

Unknown Soldier 10-18-2007 10:24 PM

Re: Weeee...small suited connectors are fun!
 
spewtastic?

djj6835 10-18-2007 10:30 PM

Re: Weeee...small suited connectors are fun!
 
This seems pretty terrible. MP has a hand and your raise is tiny as hell given the pot size.

loosbastard 10-18-2007 10:47 PM

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spewtastic?

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Probably...I just can't help myself sometimes.

loosbastard 10-18-2007 10:48 PM

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This seems pretty terrible. MP has a hand and your raise is tiny as hell given the pot size.

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So what if it's small in relation to the pot? It's 1/2 of everybody's stack short of CO...who rarely ever has a hand here anyways.

so sick bro 10-18-2007 10:58 PM

Re: Weeee...small suited connectors are fun!
 
this spot don't look great at all. prob fold pf here, and you just prob aren't folding out all the other draws that are out there and crushing you.

loosbastard 10-19-2007 12:42 AM

Re: Weeee...small suited connectors are fun!
 
So the consensus is spew?

starkwired 10-19-2007 12:50 AM

Re: Weeee...small suited connectors are fun!
 
heh, this is interesting considering I was MP

loosbastard 10-19-2007 12:50 AM

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heh, this is interesting considering I was MP

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Oops nevermind...got CO/MP mixed up.

ikestoys 10-19-2007 01:00 AM

Re: Weeee...small suited connectors are fun!
 
pf is meh

flop- we got odds, so why not call?

if you are gonna c/r I like a push waaay more than what you did

blah-blah-blah 10-19-2007 01:03 AM

Re: Weeee...small suited connectors are fun!
 
u close the action so just call and hope to make the nuts.

loosbastard 10-19-2007 01:17 AM

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if you are gonna c/r I like a push waaay more than what you did

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Shoving would be awful...CO is 200 deep. I do see what you're getting at though.

jlocdog 10-19-2007 01:25 AM

Re: Weeee...small suited connectors are fun!
 
"Shoving would be awful...CO is 200 deep"

And because MP is so shallow, your choices are limited....FPS no bueno here.

loosbastard 10-19-2007 01:28 AM

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And because MP is so shallow, your choices are limited....FPS no bueno here.

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Yeah...I just get that warm and fuzzy feeling when I see all that dead $$ [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img].

Calling was clearly the best option, but I still don't see how shoving is any better than making it like $50.

jlocdog 10-19-2007 01:33 AM

Re: Weeee...small suited connectors are fun!
 
Who says it is?

Anyways, that argument is moot since calling here is far superior to either.

loosbastard 10-19-2007 01:37 AM

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Who says it is?

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if you are gonna c/r I like a push waaay more than what you did

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But yeah...I agree in retrospect that calling is good. MP obviously shoved and 555 holds. At least I was right about CO though!

Some9 10-19-2007 06:46 PM

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Ike, when you say shove, how do you balance it?

I find a lot of regulars overshoving flops which I look up light b/c they will have a draw so often.


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