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chrisbroholm 10-17-2007 04:00 PM

Openended Straight flush draw faces shove
 
Full Tilt Poker $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com

SB: $24.75
BB: $13.20
UTG: $17.75
CO: $20.30
Button: $18.60

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, <font color="#FF0000">Hero raises to $1.50</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $1.25, CO calls $1.25, Button calls $1.25.

Flop: ($6.25) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#FF0000">Hero bets $4</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#FF0000">CO raises to $18.25</font>, Button folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $14.25

No reads, just sat down. Took a conservate line. inputs appreciated.

vitti 10-17-2007 04:09 PM

Re: Openended Straight flush draw faces shove
 
fold preflop

check/fold flop

cgrohman 10-17-2007 04:09 PM

Re: Openended Straight flush draw faces shove
 
Why are you raising this pre-flop out of the small blind?

chrisbroholm 10-17-2007 04:44 PM

Re: Openended Straight flush draw faces shove
 
Im a beginner, and ignorant as i am 76TJ seemed like a good hand, so i decided to punish the limpers and raise it up.

Thanks for the inputs, i realise now how badly i need to tighten up, and perhaps watch my position sometimes too :P

Ribbo 10-17-2007 06:17 PM

Re: Openended Straight flush draw faces shove
 
As others mentioned, it's pointless talking about your post flop play until you learn to fold this preflop rather than raise it from the small blind.

OrrLives 10-17-2007 06:30 PM

Re: Openended Straight flush draw faces shove
 
[ QUOTE ]
Im a beginner, and ignorant as i am 76TJ seemed like a good hand, so i decided to punish the limpers and raise it up.

Thanks for the inputs, i realise now how badly i need to tighten up, and perhaps watch my position sometimes too :P

[/ QUOTE ]

If you are going to play TJ76, play it in position. Usually just fold it.

Ribbo 10-17-2007 07:27 PM

Re: Openended Straight flush draw faces shove
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Im a beginner, and ignorant as i am 76TJ seemed like a good hand, so i decided to punish the limpers and raise it up.

Thanks for the inputs, i realise now how badly i need to tighten up, and perhaps watch my position sometimes too :P

[/ QUOTE ]

If you are going to play TJ76, play it in position. Usually just fold it.

[/ QUOTE ]

Don't even do that, just fold preflop from any position, including the button when it's folded to you.

SuperSnort 10-17-2007 07:37 PM

Re: Openended Straight flush draw faces shove
 
ribbo wouldnt you raise 76j10 ds from the button?

heater 10-17-2007 07:47 PM

Re: Openended Straight flush draw faces shove
 
It's not ds, though.

SuperSnort 10-17-2007 07:49 PM

Re: Openended Straight flush draw faces shove
 
i know, i am asking the question though

Ribbo 10-17-2007 08:10 PM

Re: Openended Straight flush draw faces shove
 
[ QUOTE ]
ribbo wouldnt you raise 76j10 ds from the button?

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67TJ is a hand that will never realistically have a freeroll when it hits the nuts, so no. It's a pair of holdem hands playing omaha.

Big Dave D 10-17-2007 08:34 PM

Re: Openended Straight flush draw faces shove
 
Yes, but you get to hit the mystical 20 out str8 draw....doesn't that excite you?

cheers

Dave D

Ribbo 10-17-2007 10:24 PM

Re: Openended Straight flush draw faces shove
 
[ QUOTE ]
Yes, but you get to hit the mystical 20 out str8 draw....doesn't that excite you?

cheers

Dave D

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A 20 out straight draw that often ends up shoving when 70/30 behind to QJTx. Blarg.

Elrazor 10-18-2007 04:28 AM

Re: Openended Straight flush draw faces shove
 
personally i would open raise the button with this hand and complete, but i dont think open folding is bad its just not my prefered play

Big Dave D 10-18-2007 05:59 PM

Re: Openended Straight flush draw faces shove
 
The key is to only play it against sets. And the tickle of excitement that you have when you hit the draw that gave the wrap its name has much to commend it. Live a little.

gl

bdd

Poker monkey 10-18-2007 06:36 PM

Re: Openended Straight flush draw faces shove
 
Look on the flipside - you have 4567 dominated on an 89x flop. You could also flop a full house / quads on say a TT6 board. But on this flop you're probably in bad shape when he raises. Either he's already got the straight, or he has a better flush draw and you're drawing slim either way.


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