Stox or Cardrunners for Micro NL?
 

I have been thinking about getting a membership for a while now and i am definately going to this week. I am a $25NL player and looking to improve to move up. Which site has more micro NL material?

Re: Stox or Cardrunners for Micro NL?
 

If going purely by the # of videos, Stoxpoker has 156 videos now and we are posting at least 5 new videos a week.

Cardrunners has over 400 videos currently.

Both sites have micro NL videos and both sites are excellent training sites that you can't go wrong with.

Stoxpoker is currently running a promotion where you can receive up to 6 free poker books and the registration fee is about $70 less than CardRunners and monthly dues are $5 less.

Effective Nov 1st, our registration fee in increasing to $69 but it is still less than the $99 for CardRunners. Our monthly dues of $20 are not increasing.

Re: Stox or Cardrunners for Micro NL?
 

Either site is excellent. They each have limited microNL material, but they each teach solid fundamentals in their videos, and that's all you need at micros. You can go to their sites and see lists of what videos they have.

You can also view a few minutes of each video at Stox. Cardrunners posted some short videos at http://www.cardplayer.com/tv. If you select the Strategy channel from the left menu at http://www.cardplayer.com/tv and scroll through the videos, you will find some.

Re: Stox or Cardrunners for Micro NL?
 

in my unbiased opinion I would have to say Stoxpoker [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. But in all seriousness I do think Stoxpoker is the place to come if you are playing micro stakes. The reason I say that is because I actually make videos that teach a style specifically geared for beating Micro Stakes NL. It is a tight basic sort of style that works for these games and is relatively easy to learn. I think it is a good starting point for those that want to progress up the limits. At the moment I don't have a ton of these particular videos, but about every 4th video or so that I make I am gearing it towards the micro limit player. Hope this helps.

Re: Stox or Cardrunners for Micro NL?
 

I know of a site for beginners, basically because they asked me to be an instructor/coach but I just don't have the time. It's www.grinderschool.com. They are geared much more towards micro-NL and small-stakes sng's and mtt's for players with smaller bankrolls. It looks like it's about to be up and running soon.

I'm a member at stox/CR and for someone who plays 200nl+ the fees don't hurt a bit, but for a 10nl players on a $150 roll I would think $70 would pretty much be a longshot.

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I know of a site for beginners, basically because they asked me to be an instructor/coach but I just don't have the time. It's www.grinderschool.com. They are geared much more towards micro-NL and small-stakes sng's and mtt's for players with smaller bankrolls. It looks like it's about to be up and running soon.

I'm a member at stox/CR and for someone who plays 200nl+ the fees don't hurt a bit, but for a 10nl players on a $150 roll I would think $70 would pretty much be a longshot.

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i would think they'd <grinderschool.com> wait to launch a site until after they had some content. half done sites, supposedly on 'how to succeed' at (fill in the blank) are a real pisser. one day i'd like to have a poker coach for a few months, but i doubt i'll be back there unless they show some high quality stuff.

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Re: Stox or Cardrunners for Micro NL?
 

No offense LG, but nothing about that grinderschool website looks very credible. Not only is there no content as E9 mentioned, the website looks cheap and I have no idea who those instructors are. Closed forums and no videos?

They wrote their 1st article in late August so they've been there a little while. They have 18 members and are still "under construction." They will let you sign up and pay if you want, that's nice of them.

This looks like a few unqualified guys trying to make an easy buck. Can you tell us anything about those instructors that contacted you?

Re: Stox or Cardrunners for Micro NL?
 

Edit: I misunderstood your question. You're just asking which site has more material for micro NL, and that I don't know. But I do think you're asking the wrong question.

Re: Stox or Cardrunners for Micro NL?
 

I play 25 and 50NL and am a CR member. My honest opinion is that CR is "nuetral EV" for a micro player, you won't be thrilled but you won't feel as though you got ripped off either. The fact that they have a lot of videos in the library makes the first few months great, but once you have watched the old material the new content for micro's does not justify the monthly fee and you would have to drop to taking one month in three to get value for money- the attitude regarding posts in the forum about giving micro's a better deal indicates that nothing will change soon. The quality of the video's that are there is excellent however.

Re: Stox or Cardrunners for Micro NL?
 

Am I to understand that it is ok to bash the site but not have a post defending the site? Why was my post deleted? Is it common practice on the "stoxs forum to delete posts with no mention of why?

Re: Stox or Cardrunners for Micro NL?
 

anyone know what C/R membership and sign up rates will be in 2008?

Stoxx said the rates will raise
And CR says so as well, only I cant find the details of the 2008 CR rates.

This could be critical for the ppl w/ limited money.

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No offense LG, but nothing about that grinderschool website looks very credible. Not only is there no content as E9 mentioned, the website looks cheap and I have no idea who those instructors are. Closed forums and no videos?

They wrote their 1st article in late August so they've been there a little while. They have 18 members and are still "under construction." They will let you sign up and pay if you want, that's nice of them.

This looks like a few unqualified guys trying to make an easy buck. Can you tell us anything about those instructors that contacted you?

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Yea, I don't want to mention any more URL's but the instructors and myself are members at one of the bigger forums on the internet not named 2+2/P5's/CR's (FTR if you have heard about it)

Anyways, from what I was just told the site is currently trying to build a larger video library at this time and get the forums up and running. I'm sure at first CR/PXF/Stox had a smaller library and member-base, and that's what these guys are going through right now. I probably shouldn't even have mentioned it, seeing how I'm not a part of it and really can't answer most of your questions.

As for the instructors, I believe you can read about them and watch their existing videos and that should be a good way to base your opinion of them. I know them to be good winning players at all stakes.

Re: Stox or Cardrunners for Micro NL?
 

Thanks limit but I will talk for our site. Obviously Stox is in control of this forum and they claim we are after "a quick buck", but they are the ones deleting posts where I invited a naysayer to visit and give an opinion. Who's site is it then that is in it for the money, Stox or us? This isn't a forum, it's a sales pitch for stox or CR (Where I am a member), and this will be proven when they delete this post too.

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No offense LG, but nothing about that grinderschool website looks very credible. Not only is there no content as E9 mentioned, the website looks cheap and I have no idea who those instructors are. Closed forums and no videos?

They wrote their 1st article in late August so they've been there a little while. They have 18 members and are still "under construction." They will let you sign up and pay if you want, that's nice of them.

This looks like a few unqualified guys trying to make an easy buck. Can you tell us anything about those instructors that contacted you?

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The forum is for Coaching/Training discussions and specifically discussions as to how poker coaching videos can be used to help one improve their game.

1) No shills. No abuse.The forum is sponsored by Stoxpoker.com and we don't want the forum to be used to spam for ANY online training sites. You will also never hear us saying anything negative about another training site but we won't hesitate to acknowledge other excellent training sites.

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Thanks limit but I will talk for our site. Obviously Stox is in control of this forum and they claim we are after "a quick buck", but they are the ones deleting posts where I invited a naysayer to visit and give an opinion. Who's site is it then that is in it for the money, Stox or us? This isn't a forum, it's a sales pitch for stox or CR (Where I am a member), and this will be proven when they delete this post too.

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Very diplomatically handled...I'm sure everyone will be banging down your door to sign up now!

Re: Stox or Cardrunners for Micro NL?
 

Bobo Fett, I diplomatically handled several posts asking for anyone that bashed the site to look again. I asked that they allow me to at least speak well of our sites progress and they deleted three posts in a row. This thread contains just some negative feedback about a site that is not even finished, nor charging money yet. How would you go about getting across a point to defend the only thread about your site that actaully trashes everything you have done so far, and for the wrong reasons. They have questioned our motives and qualifications, without allowing me to answer.

I feel bad for the low stakes player that cannot find an alternative to $25++ a month to watch videos and learn from better players. I think that asking players with such limited resources to pay that is unnecessary.

Re: Stox or Cardrunners for Micro NL?
 

Well unfortunately, your potential customers can't see those deleted posts...but you don't come across too well in the ones we can see.

It sounds like perhaps you have some issues you might want to discuss with the mod(s) via PM rather than airing them here in the forum. Just my $0.02.

Re: Stox or Cardrunners for Micro NL?
 

I will take your advice for sure, thanks

Re: Stox or Cardrunners for Micro NL?
 

Just for the record grinder_jyms,

I wasn't out to bash you or your site and I'm still not, but I do stand by my comments. I said it doesn't look credible and has virtually no content, which is still the case (although at least a couple vids are up and you're giving people free access instead of charging for the time being).

In any case, it was you guys who decided to launch your site in the state it was in and then offer it to paying subscribers. Then you left it under construction for so long... now you're upset that people make these criticisms? I don't think they're unfair at all.

Re: Stox or Cardrunners for Micro NL?
 

Anyway, to answer the OP, I like CR for a newer player in the micros because they have a good backlog of vids and I like their NLHE content better (for LHE I prefer Stox). I especially thought brystmar's SSNL series was a very good approach to 6-max in the micros and will help a lot of players.

Really though, both of these sites do well teaching fundamentals during even higher games that either site would benefit someone in the micros.