Check my Stats (20k Hands, NL50, 100, 200)
 

Hey 2+2
I'm pretty confident about my actual style. Any thoughts are welcome.

Besides: my suited (1gap) connectors (no broadways) are -$1k -.- any advice?
http://666kb.com/i/asqbershh7pcoqre6.jpg

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this style is not profitable long term

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why?

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42 vpip OTB? And only 17 raise when folded to? Does not compute.

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You moved up after winning 5 buy-ins ?

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no, I took a shot after my BR hit $2,4k, won some buy ins and lost some. Now I stick to NL100.

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i think ur hitting some short-run variance. ur attmpt to steal is ~50 (just about 20-30pts high from normal), and ur CB % is probably huge (4.5+ flop aggro factor generally means ur CBing a HUUUUUUUUUUGE ammt of the time). combine this with the fact that u look loose (given ur overall stats and u steal 50% of the time), ur just running good on CB's working now.

not to say that all ur profit comes from CB's being successful, but quite a bit does come from profitably CBing.

also, as im surprised it hasnt been said yet, ur sample size is pretty small. so nothing conclusive can really be said just looking at green/red/black numbers on a screen.

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It doesn't get folded to him all that often when he has a hand to play. When it's limped to him, he's punishing the limpers. He's playing position. When it's limped to him, he raises with a wide range and steals on the flop. He doesn't call with the little suited connectors like 56s and hope to make a hand. He pressures his villains. The value of the button isn't that you can call and fold well, it's that you can take control of the hand, make the villains fold badly and take all the small pots.

I'm betting his pokerEV graphs have a similar shape to carrotsnake's poster here:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...part=1&vc=1

My position stats are similar, though not quite so wide open on the button. I'm more like 30/25. I do have the same dip on the hijack and hijack - 1. I think I'm playing those seats wrong, but haven't quite figured out why.

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yeah, stealing blinds and c-bets are a huge part of my game.

How many hands would be enough to see serious leaks or to proove that I'm playing my BU +EV?

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He's only loose on the button.

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Rider what are your stats OTB? Just looking for a reference.

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yeah, stealing blinds and c-bets are a huge part of my game.

How many hands would be enough to see serious leaks or to proove that I'm playing my BU +EV?

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yea...thats pretty apparent even from just a PT lookover =)

ummm...i guess 50K+ at each level. then u can start making some solid guesses at ur stats and their meanings

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br.bm,

I'd be interested to see what your pokerEV analysis graph looks like. Also the analysis graph broken down by pots of 0-20BB, 20-75BB and 75BB+.

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How can I get it?

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ur attmpt to steal is ~50 (just about 20-30pts high from normal)

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I have an attempt to steal around 37, and it would probably be higher if there were fewer shortstacks around

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ur CB % is probably huge (4.5+ flop aggro factor generally means ur CBing a HUUUUUUUUUUGE ammt of the time)

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I have a very high flop ag factor(>5), it comes from being the aggressor preflop in most of the pots you play, which in turn leads to you either betting or checking on the flop(checking isn't factored into agfactor)

I think his biggest concern is his blind play

he would have lost less money simply folding every single time in the SB, now it could easily be variance, ie losing a bunch of huge pots to suckouts/coolers but its something to really look at

same goes for his BB play, -.36 is quite bad

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ur attmpt to steal is ~50 (just about 20-30pts high from normal)

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I have an attempt to steal around 37, and it would probably be higher if there were fewer shortstacks around

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ur CB % is probably huge (4.5+ flop aggro factor generally means ur CBing a HUUUUUUUUUUGE ammt of the time)

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I have a very high flop ag factor(>5), it comes from being the aggressor preflop in most of the pots you play, which in turn leads to you either betting or checking on the flop(checking isn't factored into agfactor)

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i think u forget that u are a different case in the realm of FR (and in my post i did use the term "normal"...which doesnt necessarily include you). u are much more aggro than most players, both preflop and postflop (more in the sense of CB-ing).

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how can I tune my blind play?

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I think you're misreading his blind play. His difference w/o blind is positive. That's not to say it's good or bad, just that he is doing better than simply folding every blind.

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1/2 is probably as far as you can go with this style. You miiiight be able to get away with it at 2/4 if you're good enough postflop but at 3/6+ you wont stand a chance since people are opening way more often than at 1/2 and lower.

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I think it is interesting to look at how different players earn their keep. At some limits you can employ a particular style and be very effective. Be that and aggressive/positional style relying on stealing, a style that relies on making excellent post flop decisions especially in shown down hands, a style that relies more on hand reading and trapping, etc, etc. As the collection of players gets better and better, you need to be able to employ tactics from all of the styles and not be such a one note charlie. The melding of these denotes real growth in a player, I think.

Ray Zee wrote a nice piece on the evolution of a player someplace on the site. Loosening up and tightening back down is one of the big leaps a player needs to make to achieve expert play.

http://www.twoplustwo.com/zee2.html

In internet time, I think you need (and get the chance) to move up and down these stages several times. For instance, I recognize several aspects of Ray's advanced player in my game while I am, by any measure, a decidedly intermediate player. I expect that I have several trips up and down the loose/tight ladder prior to achieving much beyond the intermediate level. Were I a live only player, I would probably only get one chance and would have quit the game some time ago.

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I think you're misreading his blind play. His difference w/o blind is positive. That's not to say it's good or bad, just that he is doing better than simply folding every blind.

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all that means is he did a lot better at 1/2 in the sb but -.29bb a hand, when posting is -.25 means he's losing more than his post in terms of BB

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i think ur hitting some short-run variance. ur attmpt to steal is ~50 (just about 20-30pts high from normal), and ur CB % is probably huge (4.5+ flop aggro factor generally means ur CBing a HUUUUUUUUUUGE ammt of the time). combine this with the fact that u look loose (given ur overall stats and u steal 50% of the time), ur just running good on CB's working now.

not to say that all ur profit comes from CB's being successful, but quite a bit does come from profitably CBing.


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His cbeting is fine: 78% (My CBET: 82% - 57,753 hands)

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This is not my only style. When I played NL2, 10 and 25 I was pretty nitty. I'm a little concerned about NL200+, though

Total:
http://666kb.com/i/asqg2pwd0oorfb48e.jpg

0-20BB pots
http://666kb.com/i/asqgm1qj8qtphpgku.jpg

20-75BB pots
http://666kb.com/i/asqgnih8zuiuowlke.jpg

75+ BB
http://666kb.com/i/asqgnx75dnklxxmi6.jpg

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Nice link Stan, i was trying to find that Zee article a while ago and could not recall where it was.

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That's interesting. It appears that you are not stealing all that effectively. You're losing money in the small pots, which would indicate you steal well. You make all you're money by making good decisions in the big pots (and you're running hot).

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My bad. I read that as big blind, not big bet. You are correct, sir. Nicely played.

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ur attmpt to steal is ~50 (just about 20-30pts high from normal)

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I have an attempt to steal around 37, and it would probably be higher if there were fewer shortstacks around

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ur CB % is probably huge (4.5+ flop aggro factor generally means ur CBing a HUUUUUUUUUUGE ammt of the time)

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I have a very high flop ag factor(>5), it comes from being the aggressor preflop in most of the pots you play, which in turn leads to you either betting or checking on the flop(checking isn't factored into agfactor)

I think his biggest concern is his blind play

he would have lost less money simply folding every single time in the SB, now it could easily be variance, ie losing a bunch of huge pots to suckouts/coolers but its something to really look at

same goes for his BB play, -.36 is quite bad

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I was going to respond, but this is pretty close to exactly what I was going to say.

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That's interesting. It appears that you are not stealing all that effectively. You're losing money in the small pots, which would indicate you steal well.

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uhm, you mean I don't steal well?
really looks like -.-
If I steal well my "Total Winnings" would be higher than my "Showdown winnings", won't they?

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Sorry. Where did that "don't" go.

You are correct, it looks like you don't steal well. In the pots less than 20BB, where most of the stealing goes on, you are losing money. Good thieves tend to have positive green lines and often negative showdown lines. (They're stealing, so when a hand gets shown down they are often taking the worst of it.

In big pots, you're total earnings are right around your showdown earnings. So, you aren't running big bluffs and winning those pots so much as showing up with the best hand.

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I think you're misreading his blind play. His difference w/o blind is positive. That's not to say it's good or bad, just that he is doing better than simply folding every blind.

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all that means is he did a lot better at 1/2 in the sb but -.29bb a hand, when posting is -.25 means he's losing more than his post in terms of BB

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For some reason, OP has posted all of his BB/100 as big blinds per 100. We normally use PTBB per 100 here, so his numbers are double what we are used to looking at.

Therefore, since his numbers are in actual blinds his small blind number would have to be -.50 or worse in order to be losing less by folding every time. So he's not losing more than his post.

Suggestion to OP: uncheck the box under preferences tab in poker tracker that says treat 'BB' for NL as Big Blind Amount.

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uhm, I prefere the BigBlinds/100.
I'll uncheck this box for future threads, though.

Edit:
Here are the graphs for my BU.
Imho only the less than 30BB pots are important. The other ones are all less than 100 Hands each.
Looks like I have problems with small pots on other positions?

http://666kb.com/i/asqmlxcpxtzmbuh4e.jpg

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bump