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Nielsio 10-17-2007 12:44 AM

Ugly river, range mergers n stuff
 
4-handed

Standard TAG UTG/CO raises, 2 fold, I call with 55. Flop 238rb. I c/c. Turn 4. check-check. River is a K. I check, villain bets 12,5bbs into a 16,5bb pot. Now what?

ikestoys 10-17-2007 12:48 AM

Re: Ugly river, range mergers n stuff
 
does this std tag bluff scare cards?

you should have that in your notes if you know him well enough that he is a std tag

Nielsio 10-17-2007 12:52 AM

Re: Ugly river, range mergers n stuff
 
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does this std tag bluff scare cards?

you should have that in your notes if you know him well enough that he is a std tag

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Standard solid tag, so yes.

nazahl 10-17-2007 12:53 AM

Re: Ugly river, range mergers n stuff
 
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does this std tag bluff scare cards?

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don't we all?

ikestoys 10-17-2007 12:56 AM

Re: Ugly river, range mergers n stuff
 
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does this std tag bluff scare cards?

you should have that in your notes if you know him well enough that he is a std tag

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Standard solid tag, so yes.

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then call

Keyser. 10-17-2007 12:57 AM

Re: Ugly river, range mergers n stuff
 
His bluffing frequency should go way up on that card, so I suppose your calling frequency should too.

Pat Southern 10-17-2007 12:58 AM

Re: Ugly river, range mergers n stuff
 
insta-call if he's decent.

Nielsio 10-17-2007 12:59 AM

Re: Ugly river, range mergers n stuff
 
What do we do if villain range merges with an overbet?

ikestoys 10-17-2007 01:07 AM

Re: Ugly river, range mergers n stuff
 
if i'm not getting a decent price, i'm folding

Fonkey123 10-17-2007 01:09 AM

Re: Ugly river, range mergers n stuff
 
If he's decent that's more reason to fold.

pineapple888 10-17-2007 01:10 AM

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What do we do if villain range merges with an overbet?

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Can someone please explain "range merge" so I don't feel so stupid? [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

ikestoys 10-17-2007 01:11 AM

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If he's a passive nit, not a good player, that's more reason to fold.

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blah-blah-blah 10-17-2007 01:14 AM

Re: Ugly river, range mergers n stuff
 
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What do we do if villain range merges with an overbet?

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why is this relevant? river isn't an overbet. r u saying u have notes on him that says he overbets w/ air, monsters, and medium strength hands?

Nielsio 10-17-2007 01:34 AM

Re: Ugly river, range mergers n stuff
 
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What do we do if villain range merges with an overbet?

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why is this relevant? river isn't an overbet. r u saying u have notes on him that says he overbets w/ air, monsters, and medium strength hands?

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I am trying to think of strategies that villain can use, and we can too, for being less exploitable.

Marshall28 10-17-2007 01:59 AM

Re: Ugly river, range mergers n stuff
 
easy call. its such a juicy card to bluff, and u should know it. if he happens to have it this time, its standard variance, if u see this happen more than once or see him checking a similar spot in the future, note this and u will know what to do vs him next time.

ikestoys 10-17-2007 02:13 AM

Re: Ugly river, range mergers n stuff
 
Nielso, the question on the river becomes dependent on your read of a player.

If your read is:
1.) He bluffs this card a lot
2.) He values this card if he hit it
3.) He doesn't value an 8 or 77 like this

Then call

The best way to be less exploitable from villains perspective is to mix up whether or not you bluff the card and make some thin value bets with 2nd pair type hands


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