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Stellastarr 10-16-2007 08:51 PM

Is this a fold? NL10
 
Villian is 18/10 over 50 hands. I had 3 bet him once pf and he folded. No other reads. I was about to time out so I didnt raise it pf, I would raise this most of the time.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($12)
Button ($3.80)
SB ($5.65)
Hero ($9.55)
UTG ($4.85)
MP ($3.20)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $0.2</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $0.20, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $0.10.

Flop: ($0.65) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $0.4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.2</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $11.8</font>, Hero ?.

Final Pot: $3.05

ghostface 10-16-2007 09:01 PM

Re: Is this a fold? NL10
 
i lead this flop and fold as played

KRE8R 10-17-2007 03:35 AM

Re: Is this a fold? NL10
 
I think at best you are splitting this pot. Fold it. This guy wants all your money in right now. What could he have that you beat?

kroeliewoelie 10-17-2007 03:42 AM

Re: Is this a fold? NL10
 
I like a raise preflop, but understand you didn't have time.

I donk this flop, because we have a good but not great hand against a reasonably tight UTG minraiser (=premium's against which we are not in great shape). If we check, he probably cbets and we have no information about our hand. A c/r or c/c is going to be more expensive than b/f.

As played I fold.

finalboarder 10-17-2007 04:43 AM

Re: Is this a fold? NL10
 
I would lead the flop as well. I think a check min-raise on this board is good against this type of tight player if he has a really high aggression factor as a bluff to push him off the hand. With the Q I feel like we want to get to showdown. As played I would fold.

CrustyFace 10-17-2007 05:00 AM

Re: Is this a fold? NL10
 
I think i half-pot the flop and fold to a large reraise. As played fold.

yegon 10-17-2007 05:17 AM

Re: Is this a fold? NL10
 
is c/calling down bad here (WA/WB)? There are no draws why raising the flop?

vixticator 10-17-2007 05:32 AM

Re: Is this a fold? NL10
 
[ QUOTE ]
is c/calling down bad here (WA/WB)? There are no draws why raising the flop?

[/ QUOTE ]That's what I have been doing a lot of recently. Raising CO doesn't look ideal. If UTG bet it's different. Probably ahead but if he 3bets the flop we have no clue. I can certainly see KQ, QJ moving in here. As played... eh. I consider a call, don't see him shoving a six here as much as a dominated Queen.

monkeymaps 10-17-2007 09:41 AM

Re: Is this a fold? NL10
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
is c/calling down bad here (WA/WB)? There are no draws why raising the flop?

[/ QUOTE ]That's what I have been doing a lot of recently. Raising CO doesn't look ideal. If UTG bet it's different. Probably ahead but if he 3bets the flop we have no clue. I can certainly see KQ, QJ moving in here. As played... eh. I consider a call, don't see him shoving a six here as much as a dominated Queen.

[/ QUOTE ]

I tend to agree with this id lead or c/c flop.
but as played what the hell hand does CO have that beats us? A6? is they only hand that makes any sense I guess.

maciczka 10-17-2007 09:44 AM

Re: Is this a fold? NL10
 
You beat pretty much nothing. Either he has set or overpair. As played fold. Ofc raise pf.

monkeymaps 10-17-2007 09:45 AM

Re: Is this a fold? NL10
 
[ QUOTE ]
You beat pretty much nothing. Either he has set or overpair. As played fold. Ofc raise pf.

[/ QUOTE ]

so given preflop CO cold called a min raise yo think his range is just QQ KK AA and 66?

Doba 10-17-2007 10:40 AM

Re: Is this a fold? NL10
 
edit

corsakh 10-17-2007 10:45 AM

Re: Is this a fold? NL10
 
Call. Its a bluff.

Ra_ 10-17-2007 10:49 AM

Re: Is this a fold? NL10
 
i dont like going for the c/r here, but it actually helped you out, and probably saved you some money (if you folded). this is 6x or better 80% of the time.

thoman8r 10-17-2007 10:58 AM

Re: Is this a fold? NL10
 
I think this is A-6. Since we were blinded into the hand, and villain seems somewhat competent, he's probably hoping he'll get paid off by any other 6.

My first thoughts were it's a bluff, but why would CO risk his whole stack in this spot on a bluff? That doesn't make sense at all.

21SuicideKing21 10-17-2007 11:00 AM

Re: Is this a fold? NL10
 
just call

monkeymaps 10-17-2007 11:03 AM

Re: Is this a fold? NL10
 
Im not saying that this is a call all day or even if its a call at all but alot of people in this thread are just like OMG just fold he has teh NUTZ and I dont think that is that productive.

Given that he just called a PF min raise his range doesnt really include QQ AA or KK very often at all. A6s is the only hand that makes any sense cause 66 never plays that way and you have to include at least some bluffs and smaller PPs in his range.
Im not saying that we should call without a read but this is alot closer than alot of you are making it out to be IMO.

wslee00 10-17-2007 11:11 AM

Re: Is this a fold? NL10
 
i'm calling here, but please re-raise pre-flop

well named 10-17-2007 11:17 AM

Re: Is this a fold? NL10
 
[ QUOTE ]
Given that he just called a PF min raise his range doesnt really include QQ AA or KK very often at all. A6s is the only hand that makes any sense cause 66 never plays that way and you have to include at least some bluffs and smaller PPs in his range.

[/ QUOTE ]

I agree with this. I think I call here if CO is at all aggro, which an 18/10 should be. I think he has a mid pp and puts us on air enough of the time.

Stellastarr 10-17-2007 02:57 PM

Re: Is this a fold? NL10
 
I ended up folding. I was thinking I wasn't beating much, or hoping for a chop. Maybe weak tight thinking, since I've been paying off wayyy too much lately.


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