QTo in limped pot
 

vs unknowns at 1/2.

From memory. CO open limps. SB completes. We have Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and check.

Flop is Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (pot $6)

SB checks, Hero bets $4, CO raises to $12, SB folds, Hero...

Re: QTo in limped pot
 

I call and re-ev.

Re: QTo in limped pot
 

just fold it. co limps so we have no idea his range/bluffing capacity etc. This could easily be like aa/kk random hearts draws etc. tough hand to play oop

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I think folding is fine here.

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Fold

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I'd fold here vs most opponents.

Specifically, our hand is quite weak, and certainly worse than anything he's raising for value, (often worse than his semi-bluffs, as well) and we have bad reverse implied odds.

The turn will almost never be an easy spot for us, short of hitting one of our 3 offsuit Js, and it's not like we have much in the way of implied odds when we hit those cards. If we hit a Q or a T, and he keeps firing, we are still very often behind.

The pot is small, and I just don't think it's worth fighting for.

In position, I'd call for sure. Both because our implied odds go up significantly, and because we have a chance to see how much (or if) he bets the turn, and can make a decision at that point.

Re: QTo in limped pot
 

pretty clear fold. we can't take any heat, even if he is on a draw, we can't really call a non J turn

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snap fold

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LOL

(my last post for a while)

Re: QTo in limped pot
 

CO's range: JT, 2 pair, rarely a set, a flush draw, straight+flush combo draws, rarely QK,AQ,QJ. So we might still have the best hand; but villain has position and if he isn't ahead he has very good equity - so what turn card besides the 3 non [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Jacks do we hope to see? We can't donk the turn and nor do we want to check/call it on a blank.

Just listen to the partially masked man as I just realized I'm reiterating his post.

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this is a call, interesting spot in a limped pot btw.

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this is a call, interesting spot in a limped pot btw.

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id love to know your thoughts/plans here

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this is a call, interesting spot in a limped pot btw.

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How so? We're OOP and hardly any cards help us. We can't expect him to be value-raising Q7-Q2, so we have to hope he has 54h or something. And even if he is semi-bluffing with a heart draw, are you likely to call another barrel on the turn when he bets again?

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this is a call, interesting spot in a limped pot btw.

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How so? We're OOP and hardly any cards help us. We can't expect him to be value-raising Q7-Q2, so we have to hope he has 54h or something. And even if he is semi-bluffing with a heart draw, are you likely to call another barrel on the turn when he bets again?

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he's an open limper, it's 8 more, and we have outs if behind. id probably stop and go if i wanted to continue the hand, which i would want to continue

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this is a call, interesting spot in a limped pot btw.

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id love to know your thoughts/plans here

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spike a jack, stack 74

Re: QTo in limped pot
 

I sometimes call, cause... WE HAVE A GUTSHOT!

I think were ahead here a decent bunch, and we have outs if we dont.

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question then, if we had KQ here, is this a bet fold on the flop? what about 89?

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Bobbo,

How big would you size your turn donk?

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89 is a bit better on this board than QT, and I'd definitely play it, probably bet and see how they react, mostly calling a raise though.

Re: QTo in limped pot
 

I hate being leveled.

Bobbo,

Also given this spot would you rather have QT over AQ,KQ,QJ?

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89 is a bit better on this board than QT, and I'd definitely play it, probably bet and see how they react, mostly calling a raise though.

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Why is 89 better then QT? Does he have QJ alot?

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I hate being leveled.

Bobbo,

Also given this spot would you rather have QT over AQ,KQ,QJ?

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QJ is the best of the non 2pair queens. How often does villain himself have KQ/AQ? Not often.

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oops misread the action, i thought we were considering a cold call, i'd call this, yeah

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89 is a bit better on this board than QT, and I'd definitely play it, probably bet and see how they react, mostly calling a raise though.

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Why is 89 better then QT? Does he have QJ alot?

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Having two pair gives us a bit more equity against a QXh, and it also makes it less likely that he has two pair as well.