Top 2 but villain wakes up on the river 170bb deep
 

Villain is easyway777. He is 19/2/.6 and his AF by street is 1.6/3.2/2. He seems to be a winner despite his stats. No specific read otherwise.

river is a fold or call?


Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BB: $404
UTG: $519
Hero (MP): $664.60
CO: $407.20
BTN: $731.35
SB: $67.55

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $14</font>, CO folds, BTN calls $14, 2 folds

Flop: ($34) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $26</font>, BTN calls $26

Turn: ($86) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $62</font>, BTN calls $62

River: ($210) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $172</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $629.35 and is All-In</font>

Re: Top 2 but villain wakes up on the river 170bb deep
 

pretty sick but fold.

this is never a bluff from easyway

Re: Top 2 but villain wakes up on the river 170bb deep
 

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He is 19/2/.6 and his AF by street is 1.6/3.2/2.

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what? fold. KdTd comes to mind.

Re: Top 2 but villain wakes up on the river 170bb deep
 

easyway plays so weird, it looks like a fold but I've seen him do some really weird stuff so I dunno.

Re: Top 2 but villain wakes up on the river 170bb deep
 

And by weird I mean kinda bad.....

Re: Top 2 but villain wakes up on the river 170bb deep
 

I don't know easyway but this seems like a fold.

Re: Top 2 but villain wakes up on the river 170bb deep
 

yea, he def plays kinda weird but i cant think of any specifics. i didnt know if he could get to the river w/ A9dd and then do this or if he would slowplay AJ and then do this.

he can also easily have JJJ here as well where many can't

Re: Top 2 but villain wakes up on the river 170bb deep
 

hes' got a different style, takes a lot of shot on the flop when people c/bet ive been coming back over the top of his 2.5x flop raises with air and he folds a lot so i know he's messing around a lot.

i have his stats as way more aggressive though he open limps a ton, rarely three bets but then is mad aggressive and fairly loose on the flop.

i could see KT being in his range as well as some slow played sets. he is definitely tricky and capable of making moves but with your line being so strong and no indication you're folding the river i think folding is best barring the math which idk might make it a call.

i really don't know if he's capable of making a move on the river. whenever i come over the top of him and he has air he folds, but he messes around a LOT. i've never been in a river situation like this with him. no way he value raising a worse two pair or turning it into a bluff. fak idk mannn

Re: Top 2 but villain wakes up on the river 170bb deep
 

reup...fwiw i think there could be 2-3 different people playing on that account at times or else he mixes up his style alot.

my popup stats on him are very far off from the stats i posted on him but thats how hes been playing the past 45 days or so. before that it seems like he was playing 29/11 or something and another time something totally different from that.

Re: Top 2 but villain wakes up on the river 170bb deep
 

i call

Re: Top 2 but villain wakes up on the river 170bb deep
 

T8dd. fold.

Re: Top 2 but villain wakes up on the river 170bb deep
 

are you serious? snapcall this [censored]

Re: Top 2 but villain wakes up on the river 170bb deep
 

I just don't think he's gonna raise here with &lt; a set and it's not going to be a bluff like ever. It's kinda close, but ultimately it's a fold. If it's never a bluff, I just think it's a set or a straight much more than it is AJ/A9. I could see A9 being played this way, but only if he thought you were gonna stack off with AK here.

Re: Top 2 but villain wakes up on the river 170bb deep
 

damn i hate to fold this, but I dont think he is pushing aj or a9 here with a high enough frequency to make calling good

Re: Top 2 but villain wakes up on the river 170bb deep
 

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pretty sick but fold.

this is never a bluff from easyway

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Re: Top 2 but villain wakes up on the river 170bb deep
 

call

Re: Top 2 but villain wakes up on the river 170bb deep
 

if this isn't a bluff from him, then it's an easy fold. and if it can be a bluff well then it probably still isn't and is probably still a fold =)

Re: Top 2 but villain wakes up on the river 170bb deep
 

vs easyway this is a snap fold.

Re: Top 2 but villain wakes up on the river 170bb deep
 

yea i folded. was curious tho because i dont really have a good read on easyway other than he plays pretty bad/weird but still seems to win(maybe?).

Re: Top 2 but villain wakes up on the river 170bb deep
 

I think against a player with those stats I either check call or check fold river. What are you getting value out of? AJs, QJs maybe? AK too I guess. If I had been in your spot I probably would have VB too but does anyone check call or check fold?

Re: Top 2 but villain wakes up on the river 170bb deep
 

c/c and c/f doesnt make a whole lotta sense to me vs this guy

Re: Top 2 but villain wakes up on the river 170bb deep
 

Why?

Re: Top 2 but villain wakes up on the river 170bb deep
 

c/c-his numbers, hes gonna call with way more hands than he is gonna bet. unlikely to bluff a missed draw if we check to him.

c/f- this cant be right we are probably ahead of his calling range if we valubet

We can also assume a raise is never a bluff, so we can safely bet fold

Re: Top 2 but villain wakes up on the river 170bb deep
 

i think this has to be a call here. it looks to me like he got to the river with a draw something he realizes isn't good anymore and is trying to get you off a 2 pr type hand knowing how strong his push looks

Re: Top 2 but villain wakes up on the river 170bb deep
 

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vs easyway this is a snap fold.

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agree

Re: Top 2 but villain wakes up on the river 170bb deep
 

easy fold