Flop the nuts and get check-raised
 

They like to see flops. The CMR is much more common than on US sites (OK, so it's not a min but w/e)

Crypto $20K GTD TUE $100+$9 - Hold'em NL (15/30) -

Table "5664753 - 11" Seat 8 is the button.
Seat 1: KidFranki (2580 in chips)
Seat 2: Garfy (2010 in chips)
Seat 3: Dan041022 (2370 in chips)
Seat 4: Moytro (2775 in chips)
Seat 5: Kruc76 (3420 in chips)
Seat 6: nagposer (2435 in chips)
Seat 7: badboy100 (2550 in chips)
Seat 8: Registrar (2840 in chips)
Seat 9: Bruce1234 (1910 in chips)
Seat 10: Leighj002 sits out
Bruce1234: posts small blind 15
Leighj002: posts big blind 30
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Registrar [Kh Qh]
KidFranki: folds
Garfy: folds
Dan041022: folds
Moytro: folds
Kruc76: folds
nagposer: folds
badboy100: calls 30
Registrar: raises to 120
Bruce1234: folds
Leighj002: folds
badboy100: calls 90
----- FLOP ----- [Th Jc 9s]
badboy100: checks
Registrar: bets 150
badboy100: raises to 360
Registrar LOLZ

Re: Flop the nuts and get check-raised
 

I would call with position.

They'll be 1k in the pot going to the turn and he'll have about double that, he'll most often lead > 1/2 pot and youll be able to get it in.

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w/o a flush draw on board i think i'd just flat. we'll still stack lower straights regardless i'd think, but this way we let top pair and random straight draws improve. although flatting risks losing action from sets/two pairs if turn is 7/8/q/k, i don't think it's very likely he has set/2 pair as it is given the flop action.

Re: Flop the nuts and get check-raised
 

easy call give the man some more rope

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His min C-R is definitely signaling strength from a hand I dont see him getting away from on the flop. I would make it 800 which most of the time entices a push. If you smooth call and raise his 1/2 pot bet from villain on turn, he will be more likely to get away from it since u stank of strength. There are also a ton of cards that halt action that could peel on turn. I try to get it in on flop.

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3bet this board pleas people shove 98 Q10 etc.

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3bet this board pleas people shove 98 Q10 etc.

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How much to go?

Re: Flop the nuts and get check-raised
 

999

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999

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I try not to get gushy on the internet, but you're my new poker hero.

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I agree with Shaundeeb I would make the smallest possible three bet so I can shove turn and so he won't fold AQ or w/e.

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you cannot really go wrong on this one unless you fold.

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reraise for sure on JT9 board. I dont like calling at all.

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you cannot really go wrong on this one unless you fold.

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I think it's only fair to stress that 'very strong' or 'in any way strong' on part of the standard crypto villain's range here.

Also, we can also certainly discount sets from his range too.

So anyway, I called and turn is J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] giving me an OESFD. He checks...

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calling sucks here just rr

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calling sucks here just rr

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i don't see why calling sucks. our 4 bet will look really strong and even a donk might fold top pair. if there was a fl draw or if we had a lower straight i'd rr since our hand would be more vulnerable.

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donks lead top pair on this board -- not c-r -- his line def looks strong and will most likely not get away from the hand with a small 4 bet.

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So many turn cards kill our action and there are tons of hands he'll be happy to get in on the flop with just 3-bet

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doing anything but 3betting here is so retarded since no one is ever ever ever ever folding 2 pair or even pair + oesd

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you cannot really go wrong on this one unless you fold.

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I think it's only fair to stress that 'very strong' or 'in any way strong' on part of the standard crypto villain's range here.

Also, we can also certainly discount sets from his range too.

So anyway, I called and turn is J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] giving me an OESFD. He checks...

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if you smooth called i'd check behind turn here, its that spew? Infact i know it is. . .

my god this is third time editing.. I actually like check behind if set's are definately out of his range?

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Calling the flop bet is bad when you consider villain's whole range and all the bad things that can happen on the turn. I called because, on Crypto, you'll see this a lot: limp/call pf and then some 'dumb and pointless bluff' (phrase courtesy of Nath) on the flop. Sets and the nuts are really unlikely due to pf.

My mistake was to think that because so much of his range can't put more chips in UI, I should call and hope that he improves.

This means I should have checked behind on the turn, as played.

However, better is just to three-bet because he may get overexcited with his legitimate range but also because it gives me the best chance of getting all my chips against 77, or A8 or whatever the [censored] these people do this with.

I like Shaun's 3b size, but to be honest I think 777 or 888 is better.

In short, we have to give villain the chance to make a mind-bogglingly bad mistake on the flop because he clearly doesn't like being popped OOP.

He check-folded the turn.

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In short, we have to give villain the chance to make a mind-bogglingly bad mistake on the flop because he clearly doesn't like being popped OOP.

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...and because he's way more likely to get it in with a draw/worse hands than if you cold call and he doesn't improve on the turn. Obviously you get it in good close to 100% if he does improve on the turn; however, this will generally not outweigh the chance of him getting it in bad on the flop.

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999 is indeed the right 3bet size here btw.

Just assume he has 2pair always and go from there.

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So many turn cards kill our action and there are tons of hands he'll be happy to get in on the flop with just 3-bet

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Yea agreed, there are plenty of cards that shut him down and your average donk can put you on plenty of hands his TP beats. 3 bet please.