200NL- QQ in 4bet pot BvB vs 57/27
 

Villain is 57/27/1.5 over 100 hands. Fairly sure this is standard. PF ok guys?

Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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Hero (SB): $245.65
BB: $358.60
UTG: $70.80
CO: $393
BTN: $200

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $8</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $16</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $56</font>, BB calls $40

Flop: ($112) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $90</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $180</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $189.65 and is All-In</font>

Re: 200NL- QQ in 4bet pot BvB vs 57/27
 

pf: fine

flop: standard, villain will show up with all sorts here.

(ul villain shows up with 1010 this time) [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Re: 200NL- QQ in 4bet pot BvB vs 57/27
 

std

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ill be honest, i really don't like this. he seems like a minraising goon, but i still think there are more hands you are behind here than ahead. The only things you are beating in my opinion are JJ, AT (maybe...), and a big draw. super tough though, hahah, the more i think about it the more it looks okay. ehhh, i still like a fold on that flop

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ill be honest, i really don't like this. he seems like a minraising goon, but i still think there are more hands you are behind here than ahead. The only things you are beating in my opinion are JJ, AT (maybe...), and a big draw. super tough though, hahah, the more i think about it the more it looks okay. ehhh, i still like a fold on that flop

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..on that flop? lol what flop were you hoping for? you plan on set mining with QQ?

Re: 200NL- QQ in 4bet pot BvB vs 57/27
 

Imrahil,
In a blind vs blind what is your 4bet range? Does villain have any read on your 4bet range? Regardless I think your preflop line is standard.

How do you feel about open shoving the flop (thats usually my standard given pot size and stacks)?

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Imrahil,
In a blind vs blind what is your 4bet range? Does villain have any read on your 4bet range? Regardless I think your preflop line is standard.

How do you feel about open shoving the flop (thats usually my standard given pot size and stacks)?

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Villain is 57/27, he has no reads.

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ill be honest, i really don't like this. he seems like a minraising goon, but i still think there are more hands you are behind here than ahead. The only things you are beating in my opinion are JJ, AT (maybe...), and a big draw. super tough though, hahah, the more i think about it the more it looks okay. ehhh, i still like a fold on that flop

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You do realize this is BVB, right?

Re: 200NL- QQ in 4bet pot BvB vs 57/27
 

not only this is BvB but this guy is a pure donk and will likely call any 4bet with junks oop like A10o. His range is really wide, im playing it the same. nh

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100% std

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sorry for the nubeness guys i only moved up to 100nl recently but whats BvB?
and yeah i play it the same

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Blind vs. blind...there is a sticky in the FAQ with all the definitions

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Blind vs. blind...there is a sticky in the FAQ with all the definitions

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tnx [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
yeah i know that they just never used bvb in unl [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: 200NL- QQ in 4bet pot BvB vs 57/27
 

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100% std

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yup

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Your bet sizing here appears to just be completely arbitrary, fly by the seat of your pants style.

I'd go smaller or bigger PF. Your bet size leaves you with weird stacks.

On the flop, again, I'd go smaller or just shove. You leave yourself with really awkward stacks and don't give him a chance to make a play, unless he thinks he has the best hand.

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Your bet sizing here appears to just be completely arbitrary, fly by the seat of your pants style.

I'd go smaller or bigger PF. Your bet size leaves you with weird stacks.

On the flop, again, I'd go smaller or just shove. You leave yourself with really awkward stacks and don't give him a chance to make a play, unless he thinks he has the best hand.

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I noticed this too. His preflop reraise is exactly 3.5x btw. I'd personally go smaller on the flop.

Re: 200NL- QQ in 4bet pot BvB vs 57/27
 

weird players like min-raising AA sometimes.. but this is std

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Your bet sizing here appears to just be completely arbitrary, fly by the seat of your pants style.

I'd go smaller or bigger PF. Your bet size leaves you with weird stacks.

On the flop, again, I'd go smaller or just shove. You leave yourself with really awkward stacks and don't give him a chance to make a play, unless he thinks he has the best hand.

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I noticed this too. His preflop reraise is exactly 3.5x btw. I'd personally go smaller on the flop.

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yeah flop size is baaad but since villain is even worse I don't think it matters much

Re: 200NL- QQ in 4bet pot BvB vs 57/27
 

I think the preflop size is ok. Flop size sucks. I bet less.

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How much less? $60?

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How much less? $60?

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66.6

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How much less? $60?

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$72 - $74

Re: 200NL- QQ in 4bet pot BvB vs 57/27
 

Well you want to bet an amount that might make his AK think "ahh screw it ARR IN". betting 90 into 120 kinda discourages that reponse. Anywhere from 60 to 75 seems ideal.

Re: 200NL- QQ in 4bet pot BvB vs 57/27
 

What about $69? Or $6.90?

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What about $69? Or $6.90?

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Nah. 66.6 or 6.66. Could go either way really.

Re: 200NL- QQ in 4bet pot BvB vs 57/27
 

$2?

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$2?

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2 screams we want to get raised, so he probably only raise better hands. 6.66 seems like a thin v-bet, he'll try to bluffraise that alot more often ldo

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imrahil: huh?