1/2 Live Turn a huge draw, push?
 

Full ring, but only mentioning the two in the pot. Happened at a live 1/2 table.

Button (you): $365
Seat 7 has: $95

Preflop: You are dealt K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Table folds to Seat 7 who raises to $12

Rest of table folds

You call $12

SB and BB folds

Flop: ($27) 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 10 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Seat 7 checks

You bet $25

Seat 7 calls

Turn: ($77) 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Seat 7 checks

You do what?

Re: Turn a huge draw, push?
 

You have no FE, why push?

Re: Turn a huge draw, push?
 

Thats a shove 100% of the time with his stacksize for me.
1) he's checking the turn, i will probably shove even if that 3 didnt come
2) 17-23 outs, unless he's playing his set/QJ like this

Re: Turn a huge draw, push?
 

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You have no FE, why push?

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hmz, seems I'd play it totaly different.

What would you do when the river blanks and he checks it to you?

Re: Turn a huge draw, push?
 

A half stack raises 6BB Im thinking Im not calling this with KJ pre flop.

Re: Turn a huge draw, push?
 

I check and take the free card. Not sure how live play is but is this a typical PF call?

Re: Turn a huge draw, push?
 

I figured I could likely outplay from him the button.

Re: Turn a huge draw, push?
 

I probably push river if he checks, but it's read dependent.
What do you give him? A set should be raising the flop, and JQ should be betting the turn. I figure he has something like AJ, KQ, 77 or maybe J9. I think even JT is going to be more aggressive here. I can't think of many hands that raise pf, and call the flop, that you are beating.
I think it's borderline, you're probably behind, but have a 50% chance of winning.

Re: Turn a huge draw, push?
 

Yeah I wasn't sure if I was beating anything that he's calling with either. This is the first hand I've seen him play since he sat down, and I have no idea whether he's a donk or a good player. Definitely looked stupid enough to be a donk though.

Re: Turn a huge draw, push?
 

in live play, that raise means little - standard raise in my live 1/2 game is 12-17.
KJs is ok to call from button, but I'd rather see J72.

I take a free card here, too.

Re: Turn a huge draw, push?
 

Yeah standard bet here was anywhere from 8-15 preflop, 8 dollars usually getting atleast 3 callers. I'm just afraid that if I take a free card here I'm almost always forced to check/fold on the river if it's a blank, and if a good card does come up, he's got to see that I've hit a draw, it's too obvious on this board.

Re: Turn a huge draw, push?
 

I hate to play Devils advocate but you just said you basically knew nothing about the guy its the first hand he played but you are going to outplay him?

Re: Turn a huge draw, push?
 

Generally soft game, there are two players that I have seen there which I would not want to play heads up. He is also the friend of a person who is a total donkey. Also he bought in for $100 into a normally $200 buy in game, I didn't consider him much of a threat.

Re: Turn a huge draw, push?
 

Don't try to make money from donkeys by "outplaying" them, make money from them by taking them to valuetown.

Re: Turn a huge draw, push?
 

Well this hand turned out to prove that last point completely:

I went all in, missed the river, he turned over 8/qs.

Re: Turn a huge draw, push?
 

if this is NL 100 live, i just take a free card. I found ppl are just in the mood to gamble way to often, so there isnt much FE .