$114 good/bad river card
 

Villain is a new multitabler with a SNGicons logo, so he's aware that's it's a skill game.

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t200 with t25 antes (3 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Hero (t4022)
SB (t5823)
BB (t3655)

Preflop: Hero is in Button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="red">Hero raises to t500</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, BB calls t300

Flop: (t1175) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">BB bets t200</font>, Hero calls t200

Turn: (t1575) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (t1575) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">BB bets t2930 (All-in)</font>, Hero...

Re: $114 good/bad river card
 

i call this quickly

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I think I could find a fold here. But I seriously doubt I'd put enough thought into it to get there ingame.

Re: $114 good/bad river card
 

i raise flop and go broke. 99-QQ is gonna push preflop, and AA/KK might reraise/push prelfop as well. so i think you are good on flop.

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Hmm what is that 200 bet on flop? i really don't get it, that flop can't have helped him so hes most likely on highcards if he didn't reraise preflop. I raise 1200 and see what happens.

I also wonder what sort of "skill game" is that 1/6 pot donk bet?

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Hmm what is that 200 bet on flop? i really don't get it I raise 1200 and see what happens.

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Re: $114 good/bad river card
 

This hand is really interesting. I probably call just to be able to piece together his thinking.

My gut feeling street by street...

Pre-flop, villain's range is probably pretty wide now that he's safely in the money not facing a big raise.

Post flop, I put villain on a draw or small piece. It seems quite often that players make these defensive bets with draws hoping you missed or to get a cheap card.

On turn, he's either still drawing or hoping to check raise. In this spot, I bet half the pot to charge a draw. If I'm check-raised, I'm out. The other reason for a bet is to prevent him from bluffing the river when you show weakness with a check on the turn. If he calls then checks the river, check behind. You've kept the pot size under control.

On river, he either thinks you aren't strong enough to call his all-in bet (stealing) or hoping you're strong enough to call what looks like a bet that doesn't want a call.

I'd love to know if you called and if so, what he turned over.

Re: $114 good/bad river card
 

Would he really bluff 2x the pot? That just seems totally unnecessary. Why not bet 1/2 his stack?

Re: $114 good/bad river card
 

Exactly. If he's bluffing he's completely insane, given that a 9 will almost always call. Which is always possible that he's insane, but not that likely. You haven't shown any strength since preflop. Why would he think he can bluff you off an overpair or something? This smells like a flush, praying you have a 9.

The only reason I would probably call ingame is I tend to go crazy itm. It's hard for me to imagine ever laying down a set. But this is one spot where I think it makes sense.

Re: $114 good/bad river card
 

I like raising and going broke on the flop. As played we have to fold the river.

Re: $114 good/bad river card
 

Going broke on the flop can't be right. I think it's very rare that he's going to bet/3bet all in 20bb's with a worse hand.

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What's he donk betting here? Probably a draw? We can't raise fold but I want to raise because I think we have the best hand and I want to protect it. Am I way off?

Re: $114 good/bad river card
 

why not raise flop to 1.2 k and fold to a push?

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I hope people realize if they Call 77 here they should be callign 73.

Re: $114 good/bad river card
 

I raise to around 800 on the flop and fold to a push.

Ryan

Re: $114 good/bad river card
 

well it seems like the 200 bet was a good one since ddbeast was completely confused....what was the players screen name beast

Re: $114 good/bad river card
 

Don't remember his name but I've only seen him that one day, he's not a regular.
BTW I folded.

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I hope people realize if they Call 77 here they should be callign 73.

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he never value shoves 666 and 222 here? i think he rarely credits any belief toward hero having a straight.

Re: $114 good/bad river card
 

I doubt he gives a free card and I don't see why I couldn't have a 9 here.

Re: $114 good/bad river card
 

he minbet into you on the flop with a pot this size so i just am not totally sure what hes capable of as a "new multi tabler"