TAG doesn\'t CBet, then C/Res turn?
 

What is villains range in this hand? Villain (MP) is Rizen, who runs at 24%/19%/3.4, CBet Flop: 64%, CBet Turn: 40%. Seems kind of on the nittier side postflop, but I doubt he's incapable of making moves. I'd rather not say what I had, I'd just like to hear thoughts on what people think villain may have.

UTG is a very big fish, who I have running at something like 55%/5%/1.4, so his PFR range is most likely wider than normal. I haven't been out of line much at all, and we haven't really played many pots together. I've been fairly tight so far.


Full Tilt Poker, $5/$10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $1,048.50
BB: $460.80
UTG: $407.50
MP: $1,583.25
Hero (CO): $1,385.75
BTN: $949

Pre-Flop: Hero is (CO)
UTG calls $10, <font color="red">MP raises to $50</font>, Hero calls $50, 4 folds

Flop: ($125) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $115</font>, MP calls $115

Turn: ($355) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [ 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ] (2 Players)
MP checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $250</font>, <font color="red">MP raises to $600</font>

Re: TAG doesn\'t CBet, then C/Res turn?
 

Looks like a set or top two.

Re: TAG doesn\'t CBet, then C/Res turn?
 

Could be pot controlling with A9 too, some guys play weird.

Re: TAG doesn\'t CBet, then C/Res turn?
 

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Could be pot controlling with A9 too, some guys play weird.

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Yeah, nothing says pot control like checkraising for half your remaining stack on the turn.

BTW I don't know what you have but fold it.

Re: TAG doesn\'t CBet, then C/Res turn?
 

Pretty weird line by villain!

Re: TAG doesn\'t CBet, then C/Res turn?
 

i think arc meant the c/c on the flop by villain was pot control, but now he has 2pr

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i think arc meant the c/c on the flop by villain was pot control, but now he has 2pr

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Oh, ok. Still, probably a fold here with less than AQ. I mean, the only weird hand I can see him doing this with is JThh. Or maybe KJhh.

Re: TAG doesn\'t CBet, then C/Res turn?
 

hmmm wierdo. i don't have a clue. the fact that he isolated the fish in position doesnt make it easier... his range for sure includes A9 and sometimes Q9. I can't see him bluffing. Looks like a hand that was "ok" on the flop (induces bluff - cuz thats the only thing he beats) and somehow improved on the turn. But how does that 9 improve his hand? Honestly i don't know. Could be AA/QQ.

Re: TAG doesn\'t CBet, then C/Res turn?
 

you have XX? Go broke!

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you have XX? Go broke!

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hahhahahhaa

Re: TAG doesn\'t CBet, then C/Res turn?
 

This is the fgators line with a flushdraw.

Re: TAG doesn\'t CBet, then C/Res turn?
 

weird. usually it's a shove with a flush draw. but he's gotta figure your range of hands can only include one set (222) so it's possible he can push you off Ax type hands. i really think this is a draw like 60-65% of the time, set of aces or nines (!?) like 15%, AK like 10%, and air like 10%. (but if i knew your cards these estimations could change.)

Re: TAG doesn\'t CBet, then C/Res turn?
 

That's such a strange raise size in this spot. I always have a hard time putting people on hands when this happens. Does villain think you're likely to stab again with a draw on the turn?

Re: TAG doesn\'t CBet, then C/Res turn?
 

looks a lot like A9, maybe Q9 but i doubt he'd c/r the turn with that. I doubt he ever has a draw or total air here, id need a2 or better to stack off

Re: TAG doesn\'t CBet, then C/Res turn?
 

it really looks like AA since he knows he'll not get much action if he bets, since you having a hand is very unlikely.

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This is the fgators line with a flushdraw. [/quo
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Is it?

looks like two pair or like a pair and a flush draw.

Re: TAG doesn\'t CBet, then C/Res turn?
 

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you have XX? Go broke!

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worked for your avatar!

Re: TAG doesn\'t CBet, then C/Res turn?
 

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Looks like a set or top two.

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Re: TAG doesn\'t CBet, then C/Res turn?
 

so u guys fold A9?

Re: TAG doesn\'t CBet, then C/Res turn?
 

nothing less than pink horseshoes imo.

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so u guys fold A9?

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no

Re: TAG doesn\'t CBet, then C/Res turn?
 

I can't image what you play this way that you would consider folding.

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I can't image what you play this way that you would consider folding.

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most of his range when checked to twice

Re: TAG doesn\'t CBet, then C/Res turn?
 

A9 or some retarded bluff

Re: TAG doesn\'t CBet, then C/Res turn?
 

fyi i check A9 on this flop a lot against aggro players who fold to my cbets

Re: TAG doesn\'t CBet, then C/Res turn?
 

I think unless this is a very weirdly played set, that this is A9s and could be A9 hearts. Certainly plausible that villain was isolating UTG with A9s.

Villain may have elected not to chk raise the flop which would turn his hand into a bare flush draw if called.

This might also explain why the small raise on turn, in the event that hero has a flush draw and villain doesnt want to shut a second best flush out possibly. Strange line no doubt.