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WCGRider 10-12-2007 11:57 PM

Rising through the stakes, TL DR.
 
Hola 2p2ers.

Let me set this thread off with a fore note, i am highly intoxicated and probably vastly over rate the success of the past week.

Let me take you back to the beginning of my career, may 2007. For the first time in my life, i was going to put a REAL 20$ online on stars to try this mysterious online poker that apparently could make moneys. I put my 20$ in, and INSTANTLY lost it playing 25$ NL BR management FTW.

I continued to lose another couple of 20's, and at this point i began to wonder what was going on. I saw the WSOP on TV, and it was so easy! Just flop the best hand and get the money in... Money! But wtf i wasn't Chris moneymaker. i lost money.

Scared, depressed, and almost crying i turned to donkaments.
Sadly, they paid off. Basically it managed to make me a 200$ bankroll, so of course i played some 50$ NL (good bankroll management). I will never forget this hand ever, period. I had TT, and called a raise pf between the pf raiser and the cold caller. Flop QT5. I was on ecstasy, here we go riches and glory. Raiser puts out 20$ bet, limper cold calls, i shove. Original raiser INSTAcalls, and limper folds. River the 2 of diamonds, river the ace of clubs. he shows AA, for the heart piercing set on the river.

At this point, i was absolutely numb. Really numb is the only word i can put for how i felt. But at THAT point, 350$ in the hole, i realized, it was time for a change. I needed to make money, and i needed consistency. I didn't want any of that pussy 6 max [censored], so my fr journey began, with roughly 150ish$ in my PS account.

25k hands at nl .01/.02 cent later, i had about 350$. Feeling good, i moved up to 5 nl and 10 nl. Both got me to about 500, so i moved up to 25 nl. This is about mid june now. About to go to Europe, i decided i was so ballah id withdraw my roll and use it for moneys. bad decision.

So after 2 months in Europe and san jose, i sat back down, and redeposited 200$. I lost 6 buyins at 10 nl. At this point, i was petrified. I felt it was over, i would have to move back to 1/2 cent. At this point i was talking to ThePokerKing/Mlane, and they convinced me to continue 10 nl. So i did, and over the next month i worked up to 500$ for 25 nl.

Now i felt so good. 500$ in my roll, i was about to rape 25 nl. I bought PAHUD, and was ready to roll. But at this point, i really started talking to Kappa Sigma on my campus, as most of the people from my HS went into. I went through every step, did everything i could, and was declined a bid. Why was i declined a bid? Because i knocked over the [censored] presidents dip cup and even though i offered to clean it up, he said he would never want me in the frat because of it.

So now, my other 2 friends from HS at my University (UNCW) were in the frat. I had no gf, no money, nothing. I was devastated. On that day, Sept 17th, i vowed i would make as much money in online poker as i could. I would move up through every [censored] rank, and show them. I would [censored] show the world, i was not a [censored] up. I went to a crappy ass school even with a 3.9 gpa/1270 (old sat), and i got declined from my real hope of a social life. I would [censored] show them all, I had my dream in front of me.

So i sat in front of Pokertracker and said, ok [censored] this i need money to win. I have to show myself, i can do it, i can win.

Every day i played at least 5k hands. I made every best decision i could, any fold i could, any possible value i could. Why>? I had to show them they [censored] up, I am a brilliant man and [censored] them all. I had to do it, to show myself.

So i played the 5k hands a day and studied. I posted hands, i was determined. I hit 1000 and moved up. NL 50 gave me trouble, but i kept rebuilding and taking shots.

Finally, about a week ago, I was about to clear my bonus and had 1200 in my account. I basically said, This is it, ive run 500$ bad in equity @ nl 50, i am going to clear this bonus and play 100 nl. So i rand good at 50, cleared the bonus, and took a shot.

And it worked. But the wierd thing was, as i saw the play in 100 i COMPLETELY changed my game, because i felt it was the most profitable. I had to win, it was the only possible outcome. And i did win, i won a lot. In 4 days i was rolled for nl 200, so i took a shot. And it worked. So here i am, at a 6k bankroll, drunk, [censored] insanely happy, and delirious.

But i will tell you waht i do know, i am going to make it. I might be nl 200 for 4 days, 4 weeks, or 4 months. But I will make it, because i [censored] have to prove i can. Its personal, I need to show i have what it takes. Im sick on bailing on [censored] when im solid, but not great. But dear, god i will make it. To show them all.

So here I am. I made 4.5k this week, and am making money i never thought possible. But no its not over. Also, i finally got a pretty good looking gf. But there is much to learn, much to win. But the thing is, no one can stop me. You all have no chance against me.


The only person who can stop me, is myself.

xxrod17xx 10-13-2007 12:04 AM

Re: Rising through the stakes, TL DR.
 
GL...if you still have that motivation and stay grounded I am sure you will make it, what ever "it" is for you.

ranka 10-13-2007 12:06 AM

Re: Rising through the stakes, TL DR.
 
YOU ARE SICK! Seriously! Keep going [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

kindling 10-13-2007 02:08 AM

Re: Rising through the stakes, TL DR.
 
For a drunk, you still write pretty well. Good luck with moving up! Watch out for variance, and make sure you practice good bankroll mgmt with your winnings. I'd hate to see you back at 100NL. I have to play there!

Mike Kelley 10-13-2007 02:25 AM

Re: Rising through the stakes, TL DR.
 
Where's the part where you grimmed that dude out of the money he won from you in coin flips?

Fiasco 10-13-2007 04:55 AM

Re: Rising through the stakes, TL DR.
 
Raging insecurity FTW? Good luck "showing" everybody (what exactly are you going to do? go back to the frat and show them how big your PS bankroll is?).

I do hope that you have better emotional control then your post seems to indicate, moving up that fast can lead to situations where youre losing more in on session then you used to make in a month. Hope youre able to cope with that well.

WCGRider 10-13-2007 05:05 AM

Re: Rising through the stakes, TL DR.
 
If i have a downswing i will move down. But I will play the best poker i possibly can.

diebitter 10-13-2007 05:27 AM

Re: Rising through the stakes, TL DR.
 
[ QUOTE ]

The only person who can stop me, is myself.

[/ QUOTE ]


Are you channelling Helmuth?

diebitter 10-13-2007 05:30 AM

Re: Rising through the stakes, TL DR.
 
It'd be fun for any nl200 regs to post HH's when they're mixing it up with WCG

[img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

ActionStan 10-13-2007 09:38 AM

Re: Rising through the stakes, TL DR.
 
Big runups, oh what a beautiful thing. Make big hands, get paid off, play more aggressively, get paid off on more big hands. Oh the glory, the delight. I've been on a similar trajectory this year and have had 1 or 2 runups in the 2k+ range. There is really no better feeling.

When you sober up, you might want to go out and buy yourself a helmet, buckle the chinstrap and hold on. My experience has been that 3K runups are followed by 1K+ downswings and maybe followed by a sustained break even stretch even though you are probably playing good poker, maybe even the best poker of your life.

But for now, enjoy it. Play the bigger limit. Take a shot at a bigger game once in a while too if your bankroll can afford it, even if means dropping a buy-in or 2 at 2-4. Nothing makes you play better than playing in harder games.

coordi 10-13-2007 10:26 AM

Re: Rising through the stakes, TL DR.
 
I think you should watch out man, your play never really impressed me and your sudden move up to 200nl really surprises me. Not trying to be a dick, just stating my opinion.

That aside, I wish you the best of luck and hope you continue to play a mean game of poker!

let me expanse farther into my negative opinion.. When a standard player suddenly hits a large upswing, a DS/large breakeven is sure to be around the corner. Just be wise of this as im sure you are.

br.bm 10-13-2007 11:07 AM

Re: Rising through the stakes, TL DR.
 
I'm in such a situation ... 2k upswing, 1k down
my sozial part scream " [censored] you've just lost 1000 bucks in three days" but I know ... hey it was only 3stacks @ NL200 and 4 stacks @ NL100 ... thats like nothing for three consecutive days of loosing.
I had three or four 6 stack loosing days at NL50 (in 100k hands) and hey ... I'm still alive with a nice NL100 BR and if I continue to loose ... whatever? I'm gonna play another 50k hands at NL50 and be right back


@OP gl&hf, you have no lack of devotion I guess [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

PokerFun007 10-13-2007 11:36 AM

Re: Rising through the stakes, TL DR.
 
Something to prove...not the best motivation for playing poker in my opinion. Be careful that your self esteem, your ego, your opinion of yourself does not get wrapped up in poker results -- or even poker in general.

Poker is a fickle mistress and will chop your unit off if you trust her with it.

Find your self worth in something else. God, friends, family, really anything but a game!

I play chess and see people lose their soul to a game and never find happiness...

A word to the wise is sufficient I hope.

jcg2005 10-13-2007 11:44 AM

Re: Rising through the stakes, TL DR.
 
I hope you keep posting when u hit a downswing.

Best of luck to you.

WCGRider 10-13-2007 12:44 PM

Re: Rising through the stakes, TL DR.
 
lol @ pokerfun007.

I know i will hit downswings, its inevitable. Ive had a couple of 2 outers (and a 1 outer) already, and i know it can be brutal.

But I need that push. I need that drive. Its what i do in every aspect of my life. To be the best. Does that mean win every hand? Of course not, it means save money in any losing situation and maximize expectation in any winning one.

Thanks for the responses guys, means a lot you put up with my drunken ramblings, even if they are the truth. And when the downswing happens i am just as readt to move down in stakes I moved up in them.

Steelerman 10-13-2007 12:59 PM

Re: Rising through the stakes, TL DR.
 
[ QUOTE ]
lol @ pokerfun007.

I know i will hit downswings, its inevitable. Ive had a couple of 2 outers (and a 1 outer) already, and i know it can be brutal.

But I need that push. I need that drive. Its what i do in every aspect of my life. To be the best. Does that mean win every hand? Of course not, it means save money in any losing situation and maximize expectation in any winning one.

Thanks for the responses guys, means a lot you put up with my drunken ramblings, even if they are the truth. And when the downswing happens i am just as readt to move down in stakes I moved up in them.

[/ QUOTE ]

Don't lol @ pokerfun. He gives you honest and good advice. There's no reason you can't be mentally tough and refrain from being arrogant and condescending at the same time. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

You say you've had a "couple 2 outers". Wait until you have 7 in one day. You'll be convinced you're cursed and you'll never win again. You'll never, ever want to play again. Pushing through that day(s) will be what ultimately decides your success or failure.

Anyway, I think it's awesome that you're so driven. Good luck to you. Just be cool along the way.

WCGRider 10-13-2007 01:02 PM

Re: Rising through the stakes, TL DR.
 
When anyone says find your self worth in something else and their first word is god, I have very strong opinions about that type of deal.

So I guess i am sorry for offending, and funny enough i played chess for a few years as well, but god... lol.

ranka 10-13-2007 01:23 PM

Re: Rising through the stakes, TL DR.
 
[ QUOTE ]

Ive had a couple of 2 outers (and a 1 outer) already, and i know it can be brutal.

[/ QUOTE ]

DAMN! I am not so good in english to explain it clearly and correctly.

You got couple 1-2 outer dosent mean that downswing is coming and now you are ready for this, just minimizing your losses.

Downswings are not as weather or thunderstrom what you can predict and avoid. You look at the sky and see the dark clouds and say: "Storm is coming". But these "couple 1-2 outers" are not dark clouds and ever never you cant know when the downswing coming.

Also you cant say that you are in downswing. Maybe this is your bad play. After then, if you are passed downswing you can say: This was a real downswing.

ActionStan 10-13-2007 02:09 PM

Re: Rising through the stakes, TL DR.
 
I remember one weekend being up 7 buy-ins and 1 NL100 table and 3 more at another. The next night I took another shot at NL200 and was up 6 buy-ins at a table. Nothing like feeling invincible. Every draw made, every big hand paid.

Later, I was humbled.

CalledDownLight 10-13-2007 02:21 PM

Re: Rising through the stakes, TL DR.
 
[ QUOTE ]
It'd be fun for any nl200 regs to post HH's when they're mixing it up with WCG

[img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]

I had one where we were more than 200 BB deep from yesterday. I 3bet him to $28 preflop. Bet like $62 on a 322 flop and fired like $152 on the turn and he folded. I had AKo. I laughed.

skydancing8 10-13-2007 02:35 PM

Re: Rising through the stakes, TL DR.
 
So because he had a 2k upswing means he will automatically have a 1k downer?

King Spew 10-13-2007 02:37 PM

Re: Rising through the stakes, TL DR.
 
GL OP.

BTW, yer doom switch is scheduled for Saturday 9:00PM EST.

bottomset 10-13-2007 02:47 PM

Re: Rising through the stakes, TL DR.
 
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So because he had a 2k upswing means he will automatically have a 1k downer?

[/ QUOTE ]

lol obviously

DjSkyy 10-13-2007 03:20 PM

Re: Rising through the stakes, TL DR.
 
with all this running good you should come take a shot at the 3/6 with us tonight, hope to see you there!

diebitter 10-13-2007 03:47 PM

Re: Rising through the stakes, TL DR.
 
[ QUOTE ]
with all this running good you should come take a shot at the 3/6 with us tonight, hope to see you there!

[/ QUOTE ]


http://metaljesusrocks.com/gallery/d...Its_a_trap.jpg

Mike Kelley 10-13-2007 03:57 PM

Re: Rising through the stakes, TL DR.
 
I think our player should definitely post this story in BBV. It will be like the epic aba20 first post, except different result.

diebitter 10-13-2007 05:03 PM

Re: Rising through the stakes, TL DR.
 
[ QUOTE ]
I think our player should definitely post this story in BBV. It will be like the epic aba20 first post, except different result.

[/ QUOTE ]

link?

Mike Kelley 10-13-2007 05:18 PM

Re: Rising through the stakes, TL DR.
 


ABA20

Raised2Win 10-13-2007 05:40 PM

Re: Rising through the stakes, TL DR.
 
A+, but now its easy to slip when things have gone good. Dont let it get in to your head and keep learning the game and u will be fine.

Steelerman 10-13-2007 06:04 PM

Re: Rising through the stakes, TL DR.
 
[ QUOTE ]


ABA20

[/ QUOTE ]

I always love reading that. Just amazing that you can go so far so fast.

Fiasco 10-13-2007 09:05 PM

Re: Rising through the stakes, TL DR.
 
Im a little confused about why people are confused he HAS to get doomswitched or HAS to be bad at handling the downswings when they come.

Yeah, he MIGHT get doomswitched, but enough of this "I flipped a coin and it came up heads 10 times in a row, and after that it came up tails a bunch of times, so get ready to see tails!"

chip-star 10-13-2007 09:29 PM

Re: Rising through the stakes, TL DR.
 
What were your winrates at each level and how aggressive did you move up? <20 buyins ?

Johnes Benjamin 10-13-2007 10:28 PM

Re: Rising through the stakes, TL DR.
 
[ QUOTE ]
When anyone says find your self worth in something else and their first word is god, I have very strong opinions about that type of deal.


[/ QUOTE ]
edit: I forgot my QFT

Frats are for repressed [censored] anyway.
Goodluck and goodnight

WCGRider 10-14-2007 12:19 AM

Re: Rising through the stakes, TL DR.
 
My 25 nl is about 6 ptbb/100 over 60kish hands
My 50 nl is losing by about 1 ptbb/100 over 30kish hands
My 100 nl is about 3.5 ptbb/100 over 23k hands
My 200 nl is about 3 ptbb/100 over about 12k hands

Mike Kelley 10-14-2007 12:38 AM

Re: Rising through the stakes, TL DR.
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
When anyone says find your self worth in something else and their first word is god, I have very strong opinions about that type of deal.


[/ QUOTE ]
edit: I forgot my QFT

Frats are for repressed [censored] anyway.
Goodluck and goodnight

[/ QUOTE ]

No and No

Losing all 10-14-2007 01:11 AM

Re: Rising through the stakes, TL DR.
 
[ QUOTE ]
When anyone says find your self worth in something else and their first word is god, I have very strong opinions about that type of deal.

So I guess i am sorry for offending, and funny enough i played chess for a few years as well, but god... lol.

[/ QUOTE ]

Forget about god, the first 61 words of his post were spot on. I don't know about your game, I can tell you mine is nothing special. Zero poker ego and very little tilt keep me in the black and in control.

illini43 10-14-2007 01:40 AM

Re: Rising through the stakes, TL DR.
 
Just keep solid BR management from here on out and you will be fine. Congrats on setting goals and reaching them!

Just make sure you maintain a life outside of poker - frats aren't everything (GDI BABY)

WCGRider 10-14-2007 01:54 AM

Re: Rising through the stakes, TL DR.
 
Oh and to answer the bankroll question, at 18 buyins to the next level, i play 4 tables to familiarize myself and see how it goes. If i feel comfortable and win a buyin or two, then i fire up 12 tables and let that mother burn. If i get below 17 id drop down and rebuild.

Yeah i actually have a GF here on campus and things are going great. Also im getting grades in 3/4 classes, freaking geology ;/ . Somewhat of a balance is necessary.

pattay 10-14-2007 02:40 AM

Re: Rising through the stakes, TL DR.
 
frat guys tend to be douche bags IMO, youre seriously better off

and good luck with moving up, you sound like your doing mad work


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