Poll: Most / Least like-able players at the WSOP FT
 

Forget about skill, since there was not much to go on in the ESPN broadcast; vote for the most / least like-able character at the final table. Define like-able however you wish.

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i have yet to figure out what is so unlikeable about the new ME champ. so what if it's a bit annoying that he talks to jesus/god every big decision/hand. does that truly make someone unlikeable?

he treated his opponents and the game and tournament respectfully. it would seem that you donks refuse to like anyone, ever! i watched many hours of the ppv broadcast. i found it interesting that the pros that would visit with the hosts were getting theirselves all worked up that yang was playing way too aggressive and that he'd get caught. well, i guess he proved them wrong. he WON the tournament. he attacked the final table. we hear talk all the time that aggression is rewarded and yang obviously came up with a plan going into the final table that he'd either bust out and win 500k or he'd win it all. Yang did what, i think, most poker players would like to believe we'd be able to do.

if he had lost with the Jacks that he pushed childs off his queens with. would anyone really have anything to say about yang?

sounds like most posters dislike the guy because he had a good run. later, he accurately read that watkinson was shoving to get him out of the hand. his call with A9 can be criticized or you can give him credit for a good read.. or like me you can believe that he called to let the table know that this was HIS table and that he'll call any of their all in's with practically anything.

i saw this coming after the ppv. i knew when they showed this on espn you donks (more aptly nits) would criticize the guy.

you will never win a large tournament playing weak/tight. it seems that weak tight is the endorsed playing style here on this forum.

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His call to a reraise with A5o said a lot to me. ANd i didn't even like him before that at all.

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I picked Kalmer is the person I liked the least. For some reason he just got under my skin with his stupid grin and t-shirt.

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I agree with your assessment of Yangs strategy. I too watched the PPV and basically, my take was that he came out aggressive while everyone else was tight. Kept everyone off guard and off balance with varying sized raises. Put them on tilt to the point that Hilm wound up going broke on 5-8 and Watkinson on A-7. He built his stack by outplaying people and getting his money in with the best of it (with the exception of the 8J vs. Childs)... then, when he had the stack, he used it like the sword of Damoclese and terrorized the table. He consistently got his money in with the best of it and, had it not been for some bad beats, he would have won it some 6 hours earlier.

All Phil Gordon kept doing on the PPV broadcast along with his cronies was criticize and predict doom and gloom. It was annoying to listen to. I'm not sure which was more annoying to listen to - Gordon deathrooting him, or Yang praying to Jesus.

But I do know something for sure: If it was Allen Cunningham doing that, or Scotty Nguyen, he would have been yackling about what a genius they were sensing the situation and taking advantage of their weakness and how brilliantly they played the big stack, yada yada.

That notwithstanding, Yang is not a very likeable guy and, as predicted, we haven't heard a word from him or about him since July. He is completely unmarketable by the WSOP brand and they know it and they won't be able to make much bling from it - but he played well.

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Phil Gordon is a joke.

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Phlegm are you joking?
He went crazy with JJ and was lucky he didn't go broke. Made his call with AK way way too fast angaisnt Hilm showing clearly that hes not thinking at all. And called a raise from a known tight player for 8x his raise with A 9 offsuit, he was garabge. I can't even keep watching casue im so upset that this fucknut won.

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jerry yangs antics was soo awkward even on TV, i wonder how it felt for those ppl in the audience?

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I think the prayer stuff with Yang turned me off on him. But he played the best by far. The only one that really made moves outside of AK, and maybe Rahme. He did get some great cards. I think he only made 1 or 2 bad calls the entire time.

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Kravchenko played the best poker by far at the FT. Had he won AK vs 88 flip, we would be talking about the guy who is much more deserving to be a champion. Also, the new potential poker market in Russia could be great for the our game in general.

I picked Hilm as most likeable and Yang as most unlikeable, the dude is really annoying.

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I think the prayer stuff with Yang turned me off on him. But he played the best by far. The only one that really made moves outside of AK, and maybe Rahme. He did get some great cards. I think he only made 1 or 2 bad calls the entire time.

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Exactly...he made moves...he put pressure on with subpar hands, he didn't wait around to pick up big hands v. big hands situations, he constantly put pressure on. He was stealing left and right @ the final table if you watched the PPV broadcast. I know he didn't do it by the book, raising 6-10xBB, etc, but those huge raises just crushed any opportunity to call/outplay the guy postflop, which Hilm tried to do early(by CALLING 10xBB preflop with KQo from OOP!) I doubt Yang would have a great track record playing 10000 MTTs online, but in this one isolated final table, with all the $$$ and all the pressure in the world...he played above the rim.

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the praying turned me off immediately with Yang, it's a poker table, not a church service. It annoys me with people who beg for turn and river cards, and praying to Jesus Christ to give him cards because this is his plan for him is a bad look. Yang bugged me with his think tank move with two all ins and him, with K8Off as well. I think he played well, but as usual with the ME, winning always comes down to luck, it's player who wins the most coin tosses who comes out on top. Jerry chose a strategy to raise the price of poker by his huge preflop raises, and it worked for him, but in the end he caught cards and won, Jesus didn't pick the dealer and set Jerry up in every hand. Yang actually takes away from his own card playing skills by praying for his cards everytime

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Tough choice between Kravchenko and Kalmar.

I thought Krachenko certainly seemed to be playing at his best at the FT, and I really enjoyed watching him crush Yang until his 4th place finish.

Kalmar had a pretty easy-going personality (reminded me of Dannenmann from '05) and seemed to be a fairly solid player.

Another favorite of mine is Khan, but I won't go into detail since people will flame me to death for it.

I easily hated Yang the most. I don't especially have anything against religion, but when millions of people are watching you on TV, chances are they're not going to like you if you pray at a poker table, whether they're religious or not. Besides, I hated the fact that he was so uptight about everything at the final table. Relax, you're already half a million dollars richer.

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I agree with the assessments on his personality. I liked his style though. He got lucky on the last hand but he was a monster chip leader

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You obviously know little. The hand with the JJ he got a better hand to lay down..last time I checkedI, thats called "outplaying" your opponent....he didn't make his call too fast with Hilm, it was only that way on the ESPN show which is obviously all you watched- in real life it took forever ...regarding his call with A9 - Watkinson is known as a player who can move with any 2 cards and really, what does it matter -- he called and had the guy dominated. Go back into your hole or your online poker world or your book.

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Phlegm are you joking?
He went crazy with JJ and was lucky he didn't go broke. Made his call with AK way way too fast angaisnt Hilm showing clearly that hes not thinking at all. And called a raise from a known tight player for 8x his raise with A 9 offsuit, he was garabge. I can't even keep watching casue im so upset that this fucknut won.

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the only thing i didn't like bout Yang was that he acted in slow motion.
If i were playing him live, I would go tilt.

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You obviously know little. The hand with the JJ he got a better hand to lay down..last time I checkedI, thats called "outplaying" your opponent....he didn't make his call too fast with Hilm, it was only that way on the ESPN show which is obviously all you watched- in real life it took forever ...regarding his call with A9 - Watkinson is known as a player who can move with any 2 cards and really, what does it matter -- he called and had the guy dominated. Go back into your hole or your online poker world or your book.

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Phlegm are you joking?
He went crazy with JJ and was lucky he didn't go broke. Made his call with AK way way too fast angaisnt Hilm showing clearly that hes not thinking at all. And called a raise from a known tight player for 8x his raise with A 9 offsuit, he was garabge. I can't even keep watching casue im so upset that this fucknut won.

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Jesus christ you are a moron, you are just one of those idiots who think that anybody who wins must be teh best pok4r pl4y3r e3vr, is jamie gold teh amazingness also?

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the only thing i didn't like bout Yang was that he acted in slow motion.
If i were playing him live, I would go tilt.

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I have no problem with that. Jesus Ferguson is that way. It makes his hard to read. I think it may have put some others on tilt too. They sure couldn't really read him. [img]/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img]

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It's a no brainer to me. Khan was definitely the least likable. I'm sure he's a nice guy when not playing poker. But he acts like a jerk at the table.

Other than that, not too many people I hated. Kravchenko has the personality of a brick and Rahme can't play a lick of poker. But otherwise that's it.

As for Yang, I don't see it. Yes, the praying was over the top and inappropriate. But he does seem like a genuine, honest guy. You'd know if you heard his full interview after the win.

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Ill take semi-fanatical God talking over Jamie Gold doucheness any day.

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All Phil Gordon kept doing on the PPV broadcast along with his cronies was criticize and predict doom and gloom. It was annoying to listen to. I'm not sure which was more annoying to listen to - Gordon deathrooting him, or Yang praying to Jesus.

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To be fair to Gordon, he did change his opinion of Yang after some time, like most people who watched that final table. It took a while to realize that there was method to Yang's madness, and that it was working very well for him that day.

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i have yet to figure out what is so unlikeable about the new ME champ. so what if it's a bit annoying that he talks to jesus/god every big decision/hand. does that truly make someone unlikeable?

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If you can watch Jerry Yang and not be hugely creeped out by his presence/voice/standing up/"in the name of lord jesus please let me win"/calling Bill Edler his idol/telling Norman Chad (!) it's an honor to meet him then I seriously doubt your judge of character.

also I was thinking recently about this "you guys are just jealous, would you hate all winners" thing, and it's clearly not true. Hachem is a baller and I think pretty much everyone respects his play a little, and everyone here likes Raymer too. So people here don't like Varkoni, Moneymaker, Gold (I don't mind Gold fwiw), and Yang... maybe b/c they are the worst of the recent champs, and it has nothing to do with jealously.

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I'm surprised there hasn't been any fuss about the way Yang obnoxiously screamed after knocking someone out. Not only was it rude, disgusting and inconsiderate to scream that loud and annoyingly - but it also caused me to almost lose my hearing as I was listening to the ppv through headphones. So you're probably thinking that I dislike Khan's antics as well.. actually, not at all. I voted him as most likable because he's having a little fun which is amusing to me, and that wouldn't get on my nerves as much as an obnoxious cry of "YESSSS!! YES!!!" and sprinting to the audience. Khan would never have gone out of line if he knocked someone out from the ft. Also, it's more inline for Khan to behave a little fruity than Yang, in relation to their respective ages/appearances. Yang's trying so hard to be a nice guy, he should prove it by not celebrating their tournaments deaths that intensely. It's just bizarre.

And Jerry, I do believe you're only allowed to have one idol. I mean, come on, quit the suck-ups already. And praying to Jesus/God to get lucky is clearly up the creek considering the bible says no to gambling. And when Gordon queried him on this, he totally avoided the question. I don't dislike him, I'm sure he's is a nice guy, but the poker we saw from him is borderline dreadful in isolations, and some of his "nice guy" shtick really seems put-on to me.

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I do think Yang has balls and I give him credit for not just sitting there playing defensively like Lam. BUT...Something quite off putting about him. I didn't like him. But would also take him over that smug douche Jamie Gold any day.

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Least = Yang
Most = Khan

Based purely on what I saw on the PPV of the final table.

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most= Kravchenko
least= Watkinson's girlfriend/wife

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Lmao. Yeah, that all-in hand between Watkinson and Yang was seriously scary. I wasn't sure anymore if I was watching poker or a cult sacrifice.

Most: Hilm (though I warmed up quite a bit to Kravchenko as time went on).
Least: Rahme (keep it low, baby! yes, baby! play about zero hands, baby!)

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i have yet to figure out what is so unlikeable about the new ME champ. so what if it's a bit annoying that he talks to jesus/god every big decision/hand. does that truly make someone unlikeable?

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If you can watch Jerry Yang and not be hugely creeped out by his presence/voice/standing up/"in the name of lord jesus please let me win"/calling Bill Edler his idol/telling Norman Chad (!) it's an honor to meet him then I seriously doubt your judge of character.

also I was thinking recently about this "you guys are just jealous, would you hate all winners" thing, and it's clearly not true. Hachem is a baller and I think pretty much everyone respects his play a little, and everyone here likes Raymer too. So people here don't like Varkoni, Moneymaker, Gold (I don't mind Gold fwiw), and Yang... maybe b/c they are the worst of the recent champs, and it has nothing to do with jealously.

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Now, let me get this straight; you don’t “like” (your word, not mine) Varkonyi, Moneymaker and Yang because they don’t possess poker skills you view as befitting WSOP ME winner?

Yeah, you’re right…let’s expand that thought. The 1980 Olympic hockey team? Luckbox donkeys. Appy State…take away that win against Michigan, they’re clearly not as good as the Wolverines. Sorry, David…you’re not “as good” as Goliath, so we’re gonna go ahead and award the spoils of war to the Philistines, okay? You understand, right…I mean, you really DON’T DESERVE TO WIN…

“nothing to do with jealousy”…Bull. Keyser, I've read quite a few of your previous posts, and most of 'em indicate a pretty sharp person. Suprising, then, that that you would attach your name to one so indicative of blisteringly shallow thought as this one. It has EVERYTHING to do with jealousy, jealousy that you’re not in that position, and jealousy because you probably wouldn’t have played as well as those guys did. I read all these snarky comments about Yang and Moneymaker, written by mostly insecure, frustrated yah-hoos who think they know the score because they memorized TOP, and I gotta laugh. The angel of realistic thought has clearly passed these clowns over.

Nobody, not Doyle Brunson, not Stu Ungar, not Chris Ferguson, NOBODY has ever won a bracelet without getting lucky, and more than just “winning an extra coin flip“ lucky…that in no way diminishes their accomplishments or skill, it is just the way it is. Sure, Yang got cards, but he won because of his aggression early at the table, not because of his luck. He could have played tighter and MAYBE finished third or fourth, but he realized the chance he would have to take to win the whole thing. It wasn’t “luck” that caused Phil Hilm to call with KQ, it was the effect of Yang’s play on the psyche of the others at the table.

But truth be known, for any of us railbird snipers to win at that table, we would have to do the same thing, or at least play in a fashion that might veer from orthodox TAG play. And we feel comfortable criticizing others for doing it. Incredible. We really are an insecure lot.

Would you have made the bluff Moneymaker did on Farha? The play that inevitably won the bracelet for Moneymaker (who always said he was a gambler, not a poker player or ivory tower theorist like most of usrepresent)? Maybe you would, maybe not, but it seems to me that praise for transcending your skill set when the moment calls for it, a far more enviable and laudable action, is not merely ignored, but trivialized and even blasted. You guys just keep hammering away at their technical deficiencies because they somehow offend your delicate poker sensibilities. Amazing, just amazing. You also gonna criticize Doug Flutie’s last minute heroics because he was too short to be an effective pocket passer?

Honest analysis is one thing, but to state you “don’t like” someone because you view their game as lacking? That’s just…sad…

Jerry Yang played that table like a man, and he deserved his win…

Sorry for the tone of this post, but..damn…

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I like Russian accents, but I don't like hole card camera nits.

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I covered the WSOP ME for Stars Blog as well as PokerWorks. Take this for what it's worth, a view over the last three days of the event, except for Khan (I didn't cover him much but watched him from early on). Also, this is based more on watching interactions with other players, friends, and family. The only players I had direct contact with were Yang (asked a few questions about his faith after he won), Khan (couple brief conversations), Rahme (one discussion plus questioned his posse), and Lam (was on him most of the FT, talked a good bit to him before he left for dinner break and before he started HU).

1. Kalmar I may have only spoken to him once, but he was definitely living the dream from the time he got down to the final hundred or so. He's a guy I assume you'd want to head to a pub with or to a EPL match with.
2. Yang My buddy John Armbrust (out in 18th with AK vs AQ to Lee Childs) told me I should get on him when they got down to fifty players or so (Beat for me...). I've read alot about phoniness of his words and antics in a variety of threads, but I would definitely disagree. I too am a Christian and asked him several questions about his faith after he won (some in the Media had already started ridiculing him during the FT). I do question some of his actions, make no mistake (prayer for a card seems fairly bizarre to me). Having said that, he seems like an extremely humble man who had a very tough life doing what he wanted to do and not making any money. With Chris Ferguson watching him, I was struck by how out of place he would be with FullTilt vs. Stars, but that's the way the cookie crumbles.
3. Hilm I have little to go on with this other than general persona around the table.
4. Khan I may get flamed a bit for this, but I think his antics had little to do with who he seemed to be away from the table. He was extremely generous in his support of other Stars players and qualifiers who were making it deep, and he was a real pleasure almost all of the time. He played extremely well for much of the tourney, which gets lost in all of his antics.
5. Watkinson Again, very little to go on here. Maybe that means he should be lower in likability, I don't know.
6. Lam I may have him too high or too low, I'm not sure. He definitely got schooled HU, he played extremely tight throughout the end game. In the heat of the last two days, he really seemed focused and reveled in all of it with his friends and family. I actually thought he had a great chance to make a run HU, but he was either so card dead or couldn't pull trigger to get in there with Yang. I used to buy into the whole I'm-here-to-win-not-to-move-up logic of MTT's. After this year's WSOP, I'm now more convinced that being a patient nit most of the time is a pathway to success unless you have the game of Strasser or Jacob. Yang obviously showed what you can do with a big dose of blind aggression in the face of tight play, and I'm sure last year's Gold FT hands were in the minds of some like Childs with his laydown. So I don't fault Lam with how he played except HU, when he should have changed gears.
7. Rahme He seemed nice enough, so maybe he should be higher. Maybe I was just depressed that someone who almost could be my grandfather got so deep and I was sitting there writing hands down in a notebook.
8. Kravchenko Little to go on here, although I thought he, Khan, and Yang would be the three to watch at the FT.
9. Childs Granted, his busting out my buddy didn't help much in my eyes, and I'm actually sure he's a nice guy. But somebody had to be last.

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most - rahme. i like the old guys. they dont act like buffouns, and somebody whos been playing for so long deserves some final table glory. reminds me of the old italian guy from 1 or 2 years ago that put a beating on helmuth.

least - khan obviously, he could be a straightup guy outside the poker room, but who cares, the way he behaved shows some seriously lacking social skills....maybe he should get some real life friends and stop 45-tabling all day on stars.

2nd least - tuan lam; i like the canadians and all, but dude, if youre 41 years old, quit with the frosted spikey hair highlights and the white prada sunglasses...you seem like a jersey shore wannabe.

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If you can watch Jerry Yang and not be hugely creeped out by his presence/voice/standing up/"in the name of lord jesus please let me win"/calling Bill Edler his idol/telling Norman Chad (!) it's an honor to meet him then I seriously doubt your judge of character.

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are you sure you mean to use the words "judge of character" ... first of all.. i can not judge a man's character by watching him play poker. that being said, he did nothing to damage my thoughts of his character. i did not witness him cheat or steal. i think you are using the word character inappropriately.

how can you be creeped out by watching a man pray. some people are deeply religious and incorporate god into practically all of their undertakings.. a religious person would surely call upon their god when involved in something as huge to them as an 8million dollar poker tournament.

the table behavior.. where he would sit like a stature then slowly stand up and move chips. perhaps he watched how hellmuth plays and wanted to emulate him. what's the harm in stealing behavior patterns from an 11 time bracelet winner.

telling norman chad it's an honor to meet him? where i was born that's simply a part of good manners. perhaps he would have been cooler if he'd have said "yo, what's up chad-dawg... this is jay yang in the motha fuggin house"... perhaps the pre-pubescent readers of this blog might say the champ is "such a baller.. word"

i really thhink you misunderstand the use of the phrase "judge of character".

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also I was thinking recently about this "you guys are just jealous, would you hate all winners" thing, and it's clearly not true. Hachem is a baller and I think pretty much everyone respects his play a little, and everyone here likes Raymer too. So people here don't like Varkoni, Moneymaker, Gold (I don't mind Gold fwiw), and Yang... maybe b/c they are the worst of the recent champs, and it has nothing to do with jealously.

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you've seen yang play one tournament where he controlled the entire final table .. which he entered in 8th chip position. i would say that based on the little i've seen of yang he more than did the job. perhaps he didn't do it how you say you would have done it.. but he did it nonetheless. raymer went to the final table with a serious chip lead. hachem played a short to mid stack very well then when the time was right he switched gears and made it big. i agree with you that yang is nowhere near as accomplished as raymer or hachem. but on that one day .. he was the best of the 9 that he had to beat. not even close.

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Early on in the FT, Yang played well in the sense that his strategy was the right one given his stack and he followed though well.

Once it got 4-handed though, I don't think he played his big stack all that well. It's true that his aggressive play let him steal a lot of pots, but his tendency to over bet plus a willingness to call light when his opponents played back at him got him in a lot of trouble. More trouble than those steals were worth.

That said, the only reason I didn't like Yang was his nutty praying (that and his asking his opponents to "pray for me" just after he knocked them out). It made the PPV hard to watch for a while, at least until he started praying in his native tongue.

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As a result of the feedback on this years final table, is there any truth to the rumor that next years PPV broadcast will feature Phil Gordon doing poker commentary, and Pat Robertson and Billy Graham doing commentary on the praying and various appeals to Jesus?

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I think it's indisputable that if it had been Alex Jacob or Aba who ran over the table the way Yang is said to have done by all those who watched the PPV (playing the same cards and making the same bets that Yang did), this forum would be awash with glowing praise about how nasty he was. Anyone disagree?

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it's possible, but there's also stuff like Yang raising 12x the BB one hand then 4x the BB the next hand that those guys just wouldn't do, and are generally indications of donk-a-tude.

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i have yet to figure out what is so unlikeable about the new ME champ. so what if it's a bit annoying that he talks to jesus/god every big decision/hand. does that truly make someone unlikeable?

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If you can watch Jerry Yang and not be hugely creeped out by his presence/voice/standing up/"in the name of lord jesus please let me win"/calling Bill Edler his idol/telling Norman Chad (!) it's an honor to meet him then I seriously doubt your judge of character.

also I was thinking recently about this "you guys are just jealous, would you hate all winners" thing, and it's clearly not true. Hachem is a baller and I think pretty much everyone respects his play a little, and everyone here likes Raymer too. So people here don't like Varkoni, Moneymaker, Gold (I don't mind Gold fwiw), and Yang... maybe b/c they are the worst of the recent champs, and it has nothing to do with jealously.

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Now, let me get this straight; you don’t “like” (your word, not mine) Varkonyi, Moneymaker and Yang because they don’t possess poker skills you view as befitting WSOP ME winner?

Yeah, you’re right…let’s expand that thought. The 1980 Olympic hockey team? Luckbox donkeys. Appy State…take away that win against Michigan, they’re clearly not as good as the Wolverines. Sorry, David…you’re not “as good” as Goliath, so we’re gonna go ahead and award the spoils of war to the Philistines, okay? You understand, right…I mean, you really DON’T DESERVE TO WIN…

“nothing to do with jealousy”…Bull. Keyser, I've read quite a few of your previous posts, and most of 'em indicate a pretty sharp person. Suprising, then, that that you would attach your name to one so indicative of blisteringly shallow thought as this one. It has EVERYTHING to do with jealousy, jealousy that you’re not in that position, and jealousy because you probably wouldn’t have played as well as those guys did. I read all these snarky comments about Yang and Moneymaker, written by mostly insecure, frustrated yah-hoos who think they know the score because they memorized TOP, and I gotta laugh. The angel of realistic thought has clearly passed these clowns over.

Nobody, not Doyle Brunson, not Stu Ungar, not Chris Ferguson, NOBODY has ever won a bracelet without getting lucky, and more than just “winning an extra coin flip“ lucky…that in no way diminishes their accomplishments or skill, it is just the way it is. Sure, Yang got cards, but he won because of his aggression early at the table, not because of his luck. He could have played tighter and MAYBE finished third or fourth, but he realized the chance he would have to take to win the whole thing. It wasn’t “luck” that caused Phil Hilm to call with KQ, it was the effect of Yang’s play on the psyche of the others at the table.

But truth be known, for any of us railbird snipers to win at that table, we would have to do the same thing, or at least play in a fashion that might veer from orthodox TAG play. And we feel comfortable criticizing others for doing it. Incredible. We really are an insecure lot.

Would you have made the bluff Moneymaker did on Farha? The play that inevitably won the bracelet for Moneymaker (who always said he was a gambler, not a poker player or ivory tower theorist like most of usrepresent)? Maybe you would, maybe not, but it seems to me that praise for transcending your skill set when the moment calls for it, a far more enviable and laudable action, is not merely ignored, but trivialized and even blasted. You guys just keep hammering away at their technical deficiencies because they somehow offend your delicate poker sensibilities. Amazing, just amazing. You also gonna criticize Doug Flutie’s last minute heroics because he was too short to be an effective pocket passer?

Honest analysis is one thing, but to state you “don’t like” someone because you view their game as lacking? That’s just…sad…

Jerry Yang played that table like a man, and he deserved his win…

Sorry for the tone of this post, but..damn…

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I don't really want to respond to all of this (because I'm probably wrong), but I don't really think it's that shallow to "dislike" Yang because I think he's a little weird (I suppose shallow is actually exactly what it is, but I think you get my point... maybe, if I have a point, not sure really).

Re: Poll: Most / Least like-able players at the WSOP FT
 

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i have yet to figure out what is so unlikeable about the new ME champ. so what if it's a bit annoying that he talks to jesus/god every big decision/hand. does that truly make someone unlikeable?

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I dont mind Yang and if he wants to scream holy father every 5 minutes he has that right. BUT its a bit much and im willing to bet some of the folks saying " come on leave yang along he can pray loudly if he wants". Probly would not be saying the same things if lets say Mr. Rain Khan rolled out a prayer rug and loudly was praying to allah. So i think some are being hypocrites about the Yang/God stuff.

My point is believe in what you want but why cant you pray silently? And dont be surprised if other people dont want to hear what your beliefs are. Not to mention it comes off silly praying to God to help you win a poker tourney when theres a few more things god could be doing with his time.