Hoss getting hammered...
 

been playing FinddaGrind on FTP for awhile now, down 140k since i opened the table like 2 hours ago. Current stacks 340k to `4k at 1k/2k limit.

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Full Tilt Poker Game #3810145113: Table Harlin (heads up) - $1000/$2000 - Limit Hold'em - 2:03:11 ET - 2007/10/10
Seat 1: FinddaGrind ($320,185)
Seat 2: Hoss_TBF ($39,435.50)
FinddaGrind posts the small blind of $500
Hoss_TBF posts the big blind of $1,000
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
FinddaGrind raises to $2,000
Hoss_TBF calls $1,000
*** FLOP *** [Ah 3s 4c]
Hoss_TBF checks
FinddaGrind bets $1,000
Hoss_TBF raises to $2,000
FinddaGrind calls $1,000
*** TURN *** [Ah 3s 4c] [3d]
Hoss_TBF checks
FinddaGrind bets $2,000
Hoss_TBF calls $2,000
*** RIVER *** [Ah 3s 4c 3d] [As]
Hoss_TBF checks
FinddaGrind bets $2,000
Hoss_TBF calls $2,000
*** SHOW DOWN ***
FinddaGrind shows [5c 7h] two pair, Aces and Threes
Hoss_TBF shows [5s Jd] two pair, Aces and Threes
Hoss_TBF wins the pot ($15,999.50) with two pair, Aces and Threes
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $16,000 | Rake $0.50
Board: [Ah 3s 4c 3d As]
Seat 1: FinddaGrind (small blind) showed [5c 7h] and lost with two pair, Aces and Threes
Seat 2: Hoss_TBF (big blind) showed [5s Jd] and won ($15,999.50) with two pair, Aces and Threes

I don't understand limit

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that hand is just wow.

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Patrik Antonius is very good at poker.

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It's easy, just cover up the fold button and say to yourself over and over again "he has a draw".

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Limit's easy. The more bets that go into the pot, the less often your bluff has to work to show a profit. Of course your opponent knows that too, so you each take turns clicking raise until the software won't let you anymore. Then you go to the next street and repeat. Folding and calling are just for high level metagame stuff.

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been playing FinddaGrind on FTP for awhile now, down 140k since i opened the table like 2 hours ago. Current stacks 340k to `4k at 1k/2k limit.

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Antonius is now ~$415k. This is getting ugly. Hard to be sure if Hoss is on tilt but he could really use some of the Ivey stop loss discipline here.

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anyone know how much he is actually in for. this appears to be a -300k+ session for hoss.

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gotte be real rough this will really cut inot his 10bb/100 wr.

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Hard to be sure if Hoss is on tilt

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After calling the river with J high I'm going to go with yes, he is on tilt.

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trying to chase losses at limit is asking for life tilt.

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hoss is coming back, 100k vs 340k

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Full Tilt Poker Game #3810810951: Table Harlin (heads up) - $1000/$2000 - Limit Hold'em - 4:09:57 ET - 2007/10/10
Seat 1: FinddaGrind ($367,864)
Seat 2: Hoss_TBF ($71,612.50)
Hoss_TBF posts the small blind of $500
FinddaGrind posts the big blind of $1,000
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Hoss_TBF raises to $2,000
FinddaGrind calls $1,000
*** FLOP *** [Ac 9h Qh]
FinddaGrind checks
Hoss_TBF bets $1,000
FinddaGrind calls $1,000
*** TURN *** [Ac 9h Qh] [Ah]
FinddaGrind checks
Hoss_TBF bets $2,000
FinddaGrind raises to $4,000
Hoss_TBF raises to $6,000
FinddaGrind calls $2,000
*** RIVER *** [Ac 9h Qh Ah] [Qs]
FinddaGrind bets $2,000
Hoss_TBF raises to $4,000
FinddaGrind raises to $6,000
Hoss_TBF raises to $8,000
FinddaGrind calls $2,000
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hoss_TBF shows [Qc Qd] four of a kind, Queens
FinddaGrind mucks
Hoss_TBF wins the pot ($33,999.50) with four of a kind, Queens
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $34,000 | Rake $0.50
Board: [Ac 9h Qh Ah Qs]
Seat 1: FinddaGrind (big blind) mucked
Seat 2: Hoss_TBF (small blind) collected ($33,999.50)

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surely hoss is by far the better player, yes?

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surely hoss is by far the better player, yes?

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no

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surely hoss is by far the better player, yes?

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mmmmk.

hoss beat schneids. schneids beat PA. so.... just think about that.

anyway. i'm a LHE player. though, i don't often jump into the 1k/2k games. so can we please get a LHE expert in here to comment on some of these hands. i feel fairly certain that it won't damage anyone's edge or anything since 100% of us aren't going to playing in these games anytime soon.

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hoss beat schneids. schneids beat PA. so.... just think about that.


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that's too simple...

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final tally?

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Seat 1: FinddaGrind ($354,357.50)
Seat 2: Hoss_TBF ($85,105)

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Who is 3rd Barrell?

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Who is 3rd Barrell?

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That's kwaaazy! Thx!

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its prolly schulman since cassidy is also on playing horse

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I didn't realize he enjoyed minbet. I thought NL was his bread and butter. Did he used to play nosebleed NL on FT? I can't remember seeing him.

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Nick Schulman is def 3rd Barrell and Barry G raves about hin, apparently great at all games.

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Hard to be sure if Hoss is on tilt

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After calling the river with J high I'm going to go with yes, he is on tilt.

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in higher stakes limit, j high calls are not that uncommon.

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The jack high call looks pretty standard given the way the match was going. He beats almost all straight draws and he showed mega weakness with the CR check/call line so he's definitely obligated to show down light some times when he takes that line.

I think Patrik overplayed his Ace when Hoss had quad queens unless Hoss was really that tilted, there is no reason to get 8 bb in on the turn and river there when you chop or lose after the river raise. I guess he slowplayed it a bit so his hand looks hidden but there's just no way Hoss can stick in more bets on the river with a single Q.

Patrik plays a really interesting HU limit style, he seems to slowplay often, check/calling flop and CRing the turn with a wide range, he almost never folded on the flop in position when he got CRed, but also rarely 3 bet, preferring to wait for the turn with just about his full range and then folding, calling, or raising there.

I noticed both players employed the CR flop, check/call turn line, probably both trying to adjust to the fact that they like to just call and raise the turn (i know this is fairly obvious), but its interesting to see a match with so few flop 3 bets but so many turn raises.

Someone wiser than me will have to expand on that or anything else, but I enjoyed watching some of this match. Hoss is really impressive because his aggression never wanes even when getting killed, when usually in a HU match the guy losing slips worse and worse into weak tightness.

-DeathDonkey

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DD,

thank you very much. nice to have a good high stakes player share thoughts on such a match.

from all the times i've watched Hoss play, I have to agree with you that the most impressive thing about his game seems to be that even if he's tilting/winning/losing, it's sometimes hard to tell because of the whole aggression thing.

i think schneids said that he plays momentum better than just about anybody else in the world, but i think to expand on that fact, even when he's getting killed he doesn't let his opponent take his own momentum away.

again, i've never in my life played near this high of stakes, but i think this can be a very admirable quality in great players at any level, especially since it's sooooo hard to ascertain.

to be able to use your momentum that well when you are winning, but not give it up when you are getting crushed seems like something everyone should strive for, however hard it is. is that something more often found in math based players?

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This dude got onwed hard. Ouch!

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Limit's easy. The more bets that go into the pot, the less often your bluff has to work to show a profit. Of course your opponent knows that too, so you each take turns clicking raise until the software won't let you anymore. Then you go to the next street and repeat. Folding and calling are just for high level metagame stuff.

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best explanation of poo fling poker ever

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hoss beat schneids. schneids beat PA. so.... just think about that.


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that's too simple...

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and I beat schneids.....

wow...where does this leave us.....IM THE BEST IN THE WORLDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

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hoss beat schneids.

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hoss beat schneids. schneids beat PA. so.... just think about that.


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that's too simple...

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and I beat schneids.....

wow...where does this leave us.....IM THE BEST IN THE WORLDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

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now let's not get too carried away

you are pretty damn cute tho

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hoss beat schneids. schneids beat PA. so.... just think about that.


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that's too simple...

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and I beat schneids.....

wow...where does this leave us.....IM THE BEST IN THE WORLDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

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hoss beat schneids. schneids beat PA. so.... just think about that.


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that's too simple...

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and I beat schneids.....

wow...where does this leave us.....IM THE BEST IN THE WORLDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

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girls don't count [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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This dude got onwed hard. Ouch!

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lol, it wasnt even a bad downswing, rough session sure, but nothing too bad given the stakes

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nice post DD.

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Hard to be sure if Hoss is on tilt

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After calling the river with J high I'm going to go with yes, he is on tilt.

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you don't know anything about aggressive hu limit holdem to say something like this.

anyways as far as this hand goes, J high beats lots of draws he can have and hoss would expect him to check down K or Q high on the river, so he either has a pair or nothing in his mind.

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How would Erik Sagström and Alexandros Dalaklis compete vs these players?

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DD,

thank you very much. nice to have a good high stakes player share thoughts on such a match.

from all the times i've watched Hoss play, I have to agree with you that the most impressive thing about his game seems to be that even if he's tilting/winning/losing, it's sometimes hard to tell because of the whole aggression thing.

i think schneids said that he plays momentum better than just about anybody else in the world, but i think to expand on that fact, even when he's getting killed he doesn't let his opponent take his own momentum away.

again, i've never in my life played near this high of stakes, but i think this can be a very admirable quality in great players at any level, especially since it's sooooo hard to ascertain.

to be able to use your momentum that well when you are winning, but not give it up when you are getting crushed seems like something everyone should strive for, however hard it is. is that something more often found in math based players?

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Hoss plays an unexploitable style of HU so "playing momentum" is really a non-issue with his HU game. Regarless, because of Patrick's style "playing momentum" won't get you anywhere and is useless.

People keep mentioning Hoss' aggression. He's really not that aggressive HU. Patrick, on the other hand, is probably the most aggressive (good) high stakes player I've ever seen. Their styles are pretty much polar opposites in many respects which makes for a very intersting match.

While Patrick is a VERY tough opponent in HU limit, Hoss has a nice edge in that match and I'm sure he'll continue to happily play Patrick.