Set and overpair plays...50NL what do you think?
 

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

CO ($43.25)
Button ($22.95)
SB ($11.45)
<font color="#C00000">BB ($47.05)</font>
UTG ($22.95)
UTG+1 ($55.45)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($55.50)</font>
MP2 ($98.65)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
<font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $1.50, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>.

Flop: ($3) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $2</font>, Hero calls $2.

Turn: ($7) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, BB calls $3.

River: ($13) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $9</font>, Hero calls $9.

Final Pot: $31

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has 7s 7h (full house, sevens full of aces).
Hero has 3d 3h (full house, threes full of aces).
Outcome: BB wins $31. </font>



Hand 2:


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<font color="#C00000">BB ($54.65)</font>
UTG ($22.25)
UTG+1 ($48.75)
MP1 ($51.35)
MP2 ($44.85)
MP3 ($54.25)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($52.40)</font>
Button ($16.55)
SB ($47.40)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.2</font>, Button calls $2.20, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $9.05</font>, Hero calls $6.85, Button folds.

Flop: ($20.55) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($20.55) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $20.55</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $43.35 (All-In)</font>, BB calls $22.80.

River: ($107.25) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>
.

Final Pot: $107.25

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has Qh Qs (two pair, queens and threes).
Hero has Kc Kd (two pair, kings and threes).
Outcome: Hero wins $107.25. </font>

Re: Set and overpair plays...50NL what do you think?
 

Hand 1 you need to raise at just about every point in the hand except preflop.

Hand 2 I just shove preflop.

Re: Set and overpair plays...50NL what do you think?
 

ok i won't reraise preflop for sure
i'll tell you why
from my experience
most times when i get reraised big when i'm holding kk
the other guy had aa
more than 70 %
BUT
kk is too good of a hand to fold preflop
and there's a chance that he is a donk reraisng with qq or ak
see the flop
hit K great
when i don't hit
then more of a feel there
usually with AA
people will bet hard
cause they know i have a strong hand too

Re: Set and overpair plays...50NL what do you think?
 

Hand 1 you should definitely be raising the turn. You should of gone broke with this hand.

Hand 2, bet the flop.

Re: Set and overpair plays...50NL what do you think?
 

oh i think i know why i called
not raised
because of AA on the baord
if there was any other pair
i raised
but it's because of the tendency that people rarely fold ax preflop
that he might caught a lucky card and have a aaaxx
i think that went through my head
of course i didn't think that out when i played that ahnd
but subconsciously


hand 2 bet the flop???
gotta think about that
how often will AA trap there
or check raise

thinking out loud...

Re: Set and overpair plays...50NL what do you think?
 

wow.

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how often will AA trap there
check raise

[/ QUOTE ] this is pretty lol considering how the hand played out.

Please listen to advice instead of being hard headed, or don't post since you know you're awesome.

Re: Set and overpair plays...50NL what do you think?
 

sorry, maybe the way i typed it...it came out wrong...im just trying to make sure everything is clear in my mind...

Re: Set and overpair plays...50NL what do you think?
 

1. Go broke somewhere. Raise the flop, bet more on the turn, shove the river. No 50NL player will ever fold trip Aces.

Re: Set and overpair plays...50NL what do you think?
 

Hand 1 ist horrible. You have to go broke here or your losing value the other 90% of the time where he does not have a better FH.

Hand 2 If you think he traps with AA, then why do you push the turn?

Re: Set and overpair plays...50NL what do you think?
 

Please don't post results (they don't matter) and preferably one hand at the time.

I've only played 2 weeks NL now and even I can tell your thinking is flawed big time.

Re: Set and overpair plays...50NL what do you think?
 

Hand 1: raise all over the place. If it was folded to you preflop, I'd raise there too. Once you hit your set, your goal should be to GET YOUR CHIPS IN THE MIDDLE! ALL OF THEM! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Seriously...you need to maximize the value you get from your sets to counterbalance all the times you don't hit, or you hit and they fold etc. I'd raise to 5-6 on flop and then 3/4 to PSB on turn and river.

Hand2 Preflop is fine, but why aren't you betting the flop? People will 3bet with more than just AA and on a low flop like this, hands like JJ and QQ will pay you very well (and will probably push back) on every street. As played, I like the turn raise to get value from draws that won't pay when they miss on the river.

Re: Set and overpair plays...50NL what do you think?
 

Hand 1: Push turn...ok now push river...

Hand 2:Hard to check fold after he didn't show aggression on flop. He could be thinking QQ or even JJ is good here.

Re: Set and overpair plays...50NL what do you think?
 

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most times when i get reraised big when i'm holding kk
the other guy had aa
more than 70 %


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Nobodies 3-bet range is AA and AA only. Out of the BB, I would expect a reasonable re-raise range to be QQ+, AK. Against the CO, I would expand my range quite a bit. Against any reasonably aggressive player, KK is crushing his range preflop.

But, now that you have him on AA, why are you looking to get it all in? That doesn't seem to follow.

The thing about both these hands is that you are tentative and/or trappy with your big hands. Big hands are for betting. Reach into you pockets for a handful of chips and wing them into the pot as hard as you can. If they bounce up and injure the guy, so much the better. Bet, bet, bet bet, bet. There is absolutely no reason not to go broke with an underset on an AAxxx board. NLsmall is about getting paid off on you big hands. You don't get paid off checking and calling.

Re: Set and overpair plays...50NL what do you think?
 

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1. Go broke somewhere. Raise the flop, bet more on the turn, shove the river. No 50NL player will ever fold trip Aces.

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I haven't seen them itching to throw them away in the highstakes forum either.

Re: Set and overpair plays...50NL what do you think?
 

But guys don't be so hard, if people have aa 70% of the time than he should obv be concerned.

Hand 1 - You should be going crazy...absolutely crazy, who is that other guy to have an over set...whatever site your at is most def. rigged! Get your money off it.

Hand 2 - WHATT???? I guess that was the 30% of the time he didn't have aces...jeeze, i'm glad i waited till the turn to raise! Yep better yet wait till the next hand to raise, that was he can't possibly slow play you.

Re: Set and overpair plays...50NL what do you think?
 

I like the way he induced the guy to bet his queens in Hand 2.

Re: Set and overpair plays...50NL what do you think?
 

Thanks for the input guys.

In my experience, i lose so many kings to aces in 3+bet pots. But this might be skewed by my moving up from 25NL to 50NL recently.

How often are you guys slowplaying? I read through this, http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...ue#Post12218135
but aren't those guidelines too strict?

Over 11k hands at 50NL my PT stats are 14/2.2/2.62 .. Are there any other stats that I could give that I could receive feedback on?

Thanks for the input guys!

Re: Set and overpair plays...50NL what do you think?
 

PFR is FAR too low!

Re: Set and overpair plays...50NL what do you think?
 

Every once in a while, when the board is just right, the planets are aligning, and moon is in the right phase, I'll check the turn with quads or a boat.

I almost never slow play. I want your stack. I can't get your stack if I don't work at it. When I get to the level where people stop giving me their stacks and I have to eek out extra bets, I might start to slow play more.

Re: Set and overpair plays...50NL what do you think?
 

Raise more pre-flop.