12/180 : AJs in CO faces BB all-in
 

On the previous hand, I had pushed all-in to steal a preflop minraise from a guy who made it 2xbb in all pots that were unopened to him and won uncontested. Apart from that my image is probably tight and no reads on villain.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t5730)
Button (t1855)
SB (t2180)
BB (t4730)
UTG (t4235)
UTG+1 (t2285)
MP1 (t3390)
MP2 (t4330)
MP3 (t695)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t1000</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t4705</font>, Hero...

I for sure could find some better spots but I'm getting nearly 2:1...

Re: 12/180 : AJs in CO faces BB all-in
 

Call, could be re-steal. Pretty sure you get 2:1 against even a pretty tight range.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 36.903% 36.10% 00.80% 35233020 784390.50 { AcJc }
Hand 1: 63.097% 62.29% 00.80% 60799527 784390.50 { 77+, AQs+, AKo }

Re: 12/180 : AJs in CO faces BB all-in
 

really easy call, esp since you raised from LP. If you say raised from EP this might be a fold (although id never do it). With the stacks after you, I would probably just push preflop, although I am pretty trigger happy with allins (prob would push this from UTG if im multi tabling )

Re: 12/180 : AJs in CO faces BB all-in
 

I do not agree that this is an easy call. Vs normal tight and straightforward player this is a fold. Vs some i d snap call A8 here.

P.s Bet 900.

Re: 12/180 : AJs in CO faces BB all-in
 

Tomek, I understand your line, I think it's much more +EV the higher the stakes we play, but this tourney is so full of players that never do this without TT+/AK/AQ. Unless this is the guy that's been minraising every hand or a good read, I think this is a fold. IMHO With 15 bb's, ignoring our seat equity is a mistake, The $12's have a high % of players that have us dominated here as the resteal is not a frequently seen play.

Unless it's a read, that raise is too big PF 750&lt;&lt;800 (anymore it's accepted as norm) /fold.

Re: 12/180 : AJs in CO faces BB all-in
 

This is a call, I don't see this being a monster only. I think tomek's range is pretty close here.

Re: 12/180 : AJs in CO faces BB all-in
 

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This is a call, I don't see this being a monster only. I think tomek's range is pretty close here.

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His tight range is much more accurate in this tourney, so I agree.

His range has us requiring 2:1 when we are not quite getting it. I can't say I've seen a ton of restealing going on in these and I've played quite a few recently. If we remove a high % of resteals, and consider our remaining stack, I don't see a need to get it in here.

P.S. If it's Friday or Saturday night, I snap call (not kidding)

Re: 12/180 : AJs in CO faces BB all-in
 

Raise to 800 pre...u have 37% equity vs. a range of: 77+;AJs+;KQs;AQo+...so calling is slightly EV+ if this range is reasonable.

Re: 12/180 : AJs in CO faces BB all-in
 

We're getting ~1.64:1 or 38%.

Hand 0: 62.114% 55.83% 06.28% 286799352 32275128.00 { 77+, AJs+, AJo+ }
Hand 1: 37.886% 31.60% 06.28% 162341592 32275128.00 { AJs }


So even vs what I think is maybe a slightly tight range vs an unknown here you're about breakeven to call.


The biggest problem I see with this hand is not having a plan. You should know whether you'll call a shove or not before you raise (and sometimes adjust your raise size accordingly). I'm also not a fan of the raise size with any intention of folding to bb's shove.

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We're getting ~1.64:1 or 38%.

Hand 0: 62.114% 55.83% 06.28% 286799352 32275128.00 { 77+, AJs+, AJo+ }
Hand 1: 37.886% 31.60% 06.28% 162341592 32275128.00 { AJs }


So even vs what I think is maybe a slightly tight range vs an unknown here you're about breakeven to call.


The biggest problem I see with this hand is not having a plan. You should know whether you'll call a shove or not before you raise (and sometimes adjust your raise size accordingly). I'm also not a fan of the raise size with any intention of folding to bb's shove.

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Pot with blinds an antes (25) = 675 pre+1000+700(call)+4000(raise)=6375/3000=2.12/1?...is this correct?

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We're getting ~1.64:1 or 38%.

Hand 0: 62.114% 55.83% 06.28% 286799352 32275128.00 { 77+, AJs+, AJo+ }
Hand 1: 37.886% 31.60% 06.28% 162341592 32275128.00 { AJs }


So even vs what I think is maybe a slightly tight range vs an unknown here you're about breakeven to call.


The biggest problem I see with this hand is not having a plan. You should know whether you'll call a shove or not before you raise (and sometimes adjust your raise size accordingly). I'm also not a fan of the raise size with any intention of folding to bb's shove.

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Pot with blinds an antes (25) = 675 pre+1000+700(call)+3700(raise)=6075/2700=2.25/1?...is this correct?

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You're short here. It's 3705 to call.

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We're getting ~1.64:1 or 38%.

Hand 0: 62.114% 55.83% 06.28% 286799352 32275128.00 { 77+, AJs+, AJo+ }
Hand 1: 37.886% 31.60% 06.28% 162341592 32275128.00 { AJs }


So even vs what I think is maybe a slightly tight range vs an unknown here you're about breakeven to call.


The biggest problem I see with this hand is not having a plan. You should know whether you'll call a shove or not before you raise (and sometimes adjust your raise size accordingly). I'm also not a fan of the raise size with any intention of folding to bb's shove.

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Pot with blinds an antes (25) = 675 pre+1000+700(call)+3700(raise)=6075/2700=2.25/1?...is this correct?

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You're short here. It's 3705 to call.

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LOL...sorry...late+i'm bad at math...i knew over 2 to 1 sounded too good to be true.

Re: 12/180 : AJs in CO faces BB all-in
 

I think the main problem in this hand is the preflop raise-size.

With the stacks button and small blind are no problem, cause you get the odds to call in any case, so you should think about BB stack size before you raise.

Here you have obv. chosen a bad ammount, cause you have a hard decision to make now.

I think a good bet-size would have been about 800. Easy to call if one of the small stacks come over the top and easy to lay down against a BB-push.

I think that these decision are important to make before you bet, to avoid these ugly decisions.

As played I would laydown AJ.

Re: 12/180 : AJs in CO faces BB all-in
 

This may be flawed thinking and probably even moreso at these small stakes turbo games, but I raised it to 1000 to discourage action from the blinds and just pick up a cheap, uncontested pot. I find that if I raise to 800, I'm getting hands like KTo, J9s+,all pairs, etc. to come along (and that they probably fold to the 1000 raise). I know my hand is way ahead of these and that a cb will likely take down the pot on the flop but I would still rather end the hand pf, not necessarily out of fear of flopping but more for simplicity's sake.

I like the advice about only being concerned with the BB's stack, though and I had not considered it at the time.

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I find that if I raise to 800, I'm getting hands like KTo, J9s+,all pairs, etc. to come along

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and that is exactly what you want - to play a dominating hand in position.

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The biggest problem I see with this hand is not having a plan. You should know whether you'll call a shove or not before you raise (and sometimes adjust your raise size accordingly). I'm also not a fan of the raise size with any intention of folding to bb's shove.

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QFT.

That said, if your plan is to call a push from the BB, then it really doesn't matter what you raise and you might as well push in the first place to maximize FE. Effective stacks are only 16 BBs, you can bust any of the remaining players, and you have a hand that's likely to be dominating if they put you on a steal and call with something marginal.

Re: 12/180 : AJs in CO faces BB all-in
 

you're stuck on almost 2:1 odds b/c you raised so much pre. I don't think this is a call situation. you have a tight image at the table. i don't see you better than a coin flip here, could be dominated or worse. fold.

Re: 12/180 : AJs in CO faces BB all-in
 

I'd raise to 800 BECAUSE if you get pushed by big stack you can lay it down, but if one of the shorties come over the top, then you happily get it. It's one of those situations where you plan the raise size around stacks, not around the simple principal of "discouraging action" (which is tempting and a valid concern, but still).

Barry

Re: 12/180 : AJs in CO faces BB all-in
 

Also, it's rare that a player at these stakes is gonna slap on a pair of balls and start raising a sizeable stack of his with a Laggy resteal range. It just doesn't happen like that. Sexy plays aren't the norm at this level, so sexy calls are usually just bad. AcJc is hardly a "sexpert" call to a reraise, it's may be slightly +EV, but I would rather abuse the blinds with an array of pushes and what not later on than take a borderline EV play here.

Barry

Re: 12/180 : AJs in CO faces BB all-in
 

thanks for all the responses. In summary, raise to 8 or 900 pf and plan on folding a push from the BB (because he almost never pushes as a steal with mediocre holdings) but calling a shorties all-in.

Re: 12/180 : AJs in CO faces BB all-in
 

you think villan would fold any pair here..? Ive played a fair amount of these and im pretty sure he is pushing any pair against a LP raiser.

Plus, the blinds increase every 5m, I would rather bust here with AJ then get to 200/400 and possibly blind out 1/6 of my stack

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you think villan would fold any pair here..? Ive played a fair amount of these and im pretty sure he is pushing any pair against a LP raiser.

Plus, the blinds increase every 5m, I would rather bust here with AJ then get to 200/400 and possibly blind out 1/6 of my stack

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Blinds increase every 5m in an SNG and a turbo. I guess this is a turbo? Well, if it's a turbo, then BB's range could be a little bigger, I guess. But, if it's a turbo, you have a perfect pushbot stack as well. So, I guess calling is good, I didn't think in terms of turbos (since I don't play turbo tourneys often), but meh, you could argue for both. It's almost like flip a coin.

Barry

Re: 12/180 : AJs in CO faces BB all-in
 

agree with barry. 2000+ posts... yeah, agree with barry.

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agree with barry. 2000+ posts... yeah, agree with barry.

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lol, 2000 posts, trust me I still suck, and also, it's hard to disagree when the analysis comes to do "flip a coin," but that's where I'm at on this one [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

Barry

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This may be flawed thinking and probably even moreso at these small stakes turbo games, but I raised it to 1000 to discourage action from the blinds and just pick up a cheap, uncontested pot. I find that if I raise to 800, I'm getting hands like KTo, J9s+,all pairs, etc. to come along (and that they probably fold to the 1000 raise). I know my hand is way ahead of these and that a cb will likely take down the pot on the flop but I would still rather end the hand pf, not necessarily out of fear of flopping but more for simplicity's sake.

I like the advice about only being concerned with the BB's stack, though and I had not considered it at the time.

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Before u act in this (or any other hand) u should be thinking about what u would like to accomplish by betting. With a hand as strong as AJs from LP, u should be trying to get value from worse hands. If u raise to 800 and everyone folds this is fine, but making it 1000 and wanting worse hands to fold is wasting the value of this holding.

Theorhetically, when u increase the size of your raise, u narrow the range of potential callers (this is not necessarily true if players are loose/bad.) Therefore, the key to sizing raises is to bet the max amt that worse hands will call with.

Get into the habit of raising less, when u make it 800 from LP and everyone folds, show when u have AK;TT-AA. As Lev said, playing against hands that u dominate in position is very profitable/EV+.