Why don\'t cardrooms spread NL smaller than $1/2?
 

Dynasty said here that 1/2NL plays a little smaller than 10/20 limit. Yet rooms spread 2/4 limit and 3/6 limit (and even 1/2 limit in CA).

Why don't they spread $0.50/1 NL or smaller? It is just because of less rake? Maybe the $0.50/1 NL would not run as slow as 1/2 NL...

-Tom

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Its not as profitable. Your average pot in .50/1 or smaller might not even be big enough to get enough for the rake and jackpot drop and whatever else they do down there in California. Casinos want to maximize their income per square foot of gaming space in whatever means possible.

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Yeah, that's the main reason. Two more reasons: 50 cent pieces and quarters on the table suck. I hate places that use them. Also, have you seen how many 1/2 tables there are out there? No matter what crappy range of limit games they offer, they have no trouble filling 1/2NL tables, so why should they spread anything less?

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It may be as simple as Vegas casinos not having chip denominations smaller than $1.

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It may be as simple as Vegas casinos not having chip denominations smaller than $1.

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One Henderson casino does have smaller than $1 and they do have a poker room. Nothing smaller than 2/4 limit and 1/2 Nl. And if any place, I think smaller games would in fact go in this place.

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money lost from pricing people out < rake lost by lowering min limits.

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Dynasty said here that 1/2NL plays a little smaller than 10/20 limit.

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this doesn't sound right to me

as a quick check, average pot size right now at Pokerstars for 1/2 NL ranges from $5 to $70 with a median somewhere around $25 to $30. Average pot sizes for 10/20 limit range from $61 to $115. At 5/10 limit they range from $33 to $70.

Granted, live play is different than online. But even still...

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Dynasty said here that 1/2NL plays a little smaller than 10/20 limit.

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this doesn't sound right to me

as a quick check, average pot size right now at Pokerstars for 1/2 NL ranges from $5 to $70 with a median somewhere around $25 to $30. Average pot sizes for 10/20 limit range from $61 to $115. At 5/10 limit they range from $33 to $70.

Granted, live play is different than online. But even still...

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Don't even try to compare the 2, trust me.

Dynasty is 100% correct on the fact of how the 1/2 games play. They play like short stacked 10/20 Limit games.

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well if the action is that wild in all of them, then that must mean they don't need to create 50c/1 games =p

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It may be as simple as Vegas casinos not having chip denominations smaller than $1.

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At least in NJ, the smallest stud games have a $0.5 ante an they always have plenty of halves around.

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50 cent pieces and quarters on the table suck. I hate places that use them.

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Absolutely. I personally would never patronize a place that used .50 and quarters on the table.

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Why don't they spread $0.50/1 NL or smaller? It is just because of less rake? Maybe the $0.50/1 NL would not run as slow as 1/2 NL...

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The rakes/BBJ for a 1/2 NLHE are significant but good players can still make money. If they spread a .5/1 NLHE game then the RAKE would remain the same and be a KILLER!. The rakes would approach 20% per pot.

Think about it, dealers still have to be paid. The floormen, chip runners, and managers still need to get paid. The floor space must generate the same revenue for the casino or be in danger of being taken over by slot machines. Plus I think .5/1 players would not like paying a 20% rake each hand.....

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50 cent pieces and quarters on the table suck. I hate places that use them.

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Absolutely. I personally would never patronize a place that used .50 and quarters on the table.

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Just a few years ago that would ahve been basically every place in Vegas. I once saw somone bring a roll of quarters to a 40-80 game because they only had 50 cent pieces on the table and he liked to tip 25 cents a pot.

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Dynasty said here that 1/2NL plays a little smaller than 10/20 limit.

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this doesn't sound right to me

as a quick check, average pot size right now at Pokerstars for 1/2 NL ranges from $5 to $70 with a median somewhere around $25 to $30. Average pot sizes for 10/20 limit range from $61 to $115. At 5/10 limit they range from $33 to $70.

Granted, live play is different than online. But even still...

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Don't even try to compare the 2, trust me.

Dynasty is 100% correct on the fact of how the 1/2 games play. They play like short stacked 10/20 Limit games.

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My comment was mostly about how much you could win. So, in a 1-2 no-limit game, your winrate should be a little less than in a 10-20 limit game.

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If a casino opened a few .50/1.00 tables, I have no doubt they'd be popular. There are always fleas looking for the smallest games they can find so that's not the issue.

The problem is they would only drain away some of the 1/2 action, which would hurt the total rake dropped. Even then you'd hear those same players bitching and crying about how much rake they're paying (as if they're going to get $2 max rake or something).

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1/2 games in mississippi generally play slightly bigger than 10-20 L..... No max buy-in, so uys put 1-2K on the table

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The rakes/BBJ for a 1/2 NLHE are significant but good players can still make money. If they spread a .5/1 NLHE game then the RAKE would remain the same and be a KILLER!. The rakes would approach 20% per pot.

Think about it, dealers still have to be paid. The floormen, chip runners, and managers still need to get paid. The floor space must generate the same revenue for the casino or be in danger of being taken over by slot machines. Plus I think .5/1 players would not like paying a 20% rake each hand.....

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In Cali maybe. In areas where 10% to X max it's not possible to rake 20%.

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biloxi 1-2 no limit games are easily as big as 10-20 limit. and you can easily make as much as you can in 10-20 limit.

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I once saw somone bring a roll of quarters to a 40-80 game because they only had 50 cent pieces on the table and he liked to tip 25 cents a pot.

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For years, St Louis players traveling down to Tunica would bring a roll of quarters to whatever game they were playing, as they thought tipping $1/hand was extravagant. I guess all the boats in STL had coins on the table.

This practice has since stopped. Having just read "Freak-onomics", I feel it is my duty to hypothesize on why this is so. I figure that either:

A. STL no longer uses quarters.

B. The introduction of coinless slots and the death of $1-5 7-stud makes it a lot harder nowadays to get your hands on a roll of quarters in a casino.

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i really wish that most cardrooms wouldn't even spread 1/2NL. This way there would be even more donks in the 2/5 nl games.

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For years, St Louis players traveling down to Tunica would bring a roll of quarters to whatever game they were playing, as they thought tipping $1/hand was extravagant. I guess all the boats in STL had coins on the table.

This practice has since stopped. Having just read "Freak-onomics", I feel it is my duty to hypothesize on why this is so. I figure that either:

A. STL no longer uses quarters.

B. The introduction of coinless slots and the death of $1-5 7-stud makes it a lot harder nowadays to get your hands on a roll of quarters in a casino.

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This doesn't make sense since St. Louis never used real quarters in the casino. It's one of those loss limit states so all .25 slots were played with tokens. I'm trying to think back to my 1-4 stud days and what we used to tip with...

Come to think of it, they'd take rake and make change with the .25 tokens and then you'd tip in the coins. What a bunch of crap. I miss stud but I don't miss the tokens.

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In Cali maybe. In areas where 10% to X max it's not possible to rake 20%.

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No way could California play 40MAX NL with .50/1.00 blinds. How would this work at the commerce.

Folded to the sb who throws a 2nd peach chip to call the buck. BB raps the table to see a flop. Two bucks in the pot, 1 take for the BB drop. 1 dollar in the pot.

SB bets a buck into the $1.00 pot. BB calls. Dealer takes $3.00 out of the pot for the drop, pot sits at ZERO. Turn checked down, river dealt, sb bets out a buck into the zero pot, bb folds, dealer takes last buck to completed the $4.00 drop per hand, Dealer ships the virtual pot to the sb, new hand.

That would go over well.

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If I am a casino manager, I will say like this.

"I don't care what you(players) do in my table, but I need a profit of $5000 in 24 hours" -One tables should pay about $200 every hour.

That means, we need to pay at least $4 every hand. I don't think the players in 0.5/1 or 0.25/0.5 like to pay $4 every hand.

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Good point.....some pots would have a 100% rake.

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In Florida, where the buyin is capped at $100 by law, a 50c/$1.00 NL game would allow us to play with bigger stacks -- 100BB instead of 50BB. I think that's an attractive reason to play a lower-blind game where you have a low capped buyin.

My local casino still uses 25c and 50c chips for the rake, so that part of the question is not a problem. Now, whether it would generate enough profit? I don't know.

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1/1 NL 100 max, 10% rake to $4 ftw

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"I don't care what you(players) do in my table, but I need a profit of $5000 in 24 hours" -One tables should pay about $200 every hour.


$200/hour?? your not even close. Poker Tables average $80 - $120...nost leaning towrds the $80.

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lol at this thread

play in home games if the idea of putting up SIXTY WHOLE DOLLARS to play a min buyin for 1/2 bothers you.

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well if the action is that wild in all of them, then that must mean they don't need to create 50c/1 games =p

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You hit the nail right on the head.

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If I am a casino manager, I will say like this.

"I don't care what you(players) do in my table, but I need a profit of $5000 in 24 hours" -One tables should pay about $200 every hour.

That means, we need to pay at least $4 every hand. I don't think the players in 0.5/1 or 0.25/0.5 like to pay $4 every hand.

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Where is this mythical casino that generates 50 hands an hour?