new forum: Coaching/Training
 

sponsored by Stoxpoker.com

seems like a pretty shrewd business move on their part. then again, could go down in flames like automotive forum.

uh, discuss?

Re: new forum: Coaching/Training
 

Interesting. I hadn't seen this yet so I checked it out after seeing your post; I saw a thread called "other sites allowed or just stoxpoker?" or something like that w/ three replies and clicked because I was wondering the same thing!

I was a little surprised when I was then taken to the error page; upon returning to the forum index, the thread was gone. lol, guess that answers THAT question.

I think this is a pretty terrible thing to do to 2+2. I guess it's a smart business decision for the site owners since they're getting paid for letting stox have his own forum here, but obviously business is going to suffer for freelance coaches like myself and tons of other SSNL/MSNLers as a result and it's just a really crappy thing to do to the people that helped make these forums what they are.

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It says in the sticky "This forum is for discussions of any topics related to poker coaching and training." but i guess that they dont really want discussion of other coaches or sites like Cardrunners - which on a certain level i cant really hate on given the amount they gotta be paying to have the forum here.

That said if this is for Stox only discussion, i hope mods of other forums dont start forwarding threads to that forum when the topic of coaching comes up, nor is discussion of coaching sites other than Stox being limited because of this business relationship.

It seems a perfectly normal direction this coming up though - Stox's book was a 2+2 publication wasnt it? I know Moshman who is one of their coaches wrote the 2+2 SnG book and im pretty sure all their other coaches are 2+2ers to one degree or another so Stoxpoker and twoplustwo is pretty closely linked.

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I think this is a pretty terrible thing to do to 2+2. I guess it's a smart business decision for the site owners since they're getting paid for letting stox have his own forum here, but obviously business is going to suffer for freelance coaches like myself and tons of other SSNL/MSNLers as a result and it's just a really crappy thing to do to the people that helped make these forums what they are.

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I see the opposite, its catering to the majority who read 2+2 and don't post, have an account, or know where to turn. The silent majority is what made 2+2 what it is today, with them the vocal minority (to which you and I belong) would have no audience.

honestly I don't think it will put a dent in your or my coaching services at all... there is still a need for one - on - one lessons.

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TT,

Since it appears you coach and to one degree or another know more than us regular posters where does the site now stand on coaching discussion - especially discussing competitor sites like Cardrunners.

If the question came up i and many others would recommend CR over Stox simply due to their huge backcatalog (end shill, lol); but if i was Stox and was paying 2+2 to have this forum i wouldnt want the rest of the site recommending any other site or service like those you and goofy offer.

Re: new forum: Coaching/Training
 

FWIW, there's been 2 sponsored RB forums for a year or so now, and I've never seen this to be limiting the discussion of other affiliates in the regular forums.

That being said, those two forums are in a seperate category called "Sponsored Support Foums". It strikes me as odd that this forum goes under "General Poker Discussion" and is titled "Coaching/Training". The only other sponsored forum I know of that is treated like this is the "Internet Bonuses" forum that is sponsored by RTR...I've never known RTR to limit discussion IRT other affiliates. It seems to me that sponsored forums should work one of two ways:

1) If it is going to be a sposnored forum in amongst all of the others, and appear to be the preferred place to discuss a topic, the sponsor should not be limiting the topics to only their own offerings.

2) If the sponsor is only going to allow discussion of their own services, the forum should clearly be seperated from the others.

Re: new forum: Coaching/Training
 

As it stands now, it is misplaced in the sidebar and also misnamed.

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I started a thread to ask about the deleted thread, and Stox replied that the other thread was deleted by mistake when he was trying to delete a certain post - guess the mod tools are difficult to get used to [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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As it stands now, it is misplaced in the sidebar and also misnamed.

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Exacty. Unless the intent is to allow open discussion of ALL coaching/training sites.

Re: new forum: Coaching/Training
 

Bobo,

"Exacty. Unless the intent is to allow open discussion of ALL coaching/training sites."

Their initial answer said that the forum was for the promotion of stoxpoker.com and for 2+2 users to communicate with the coaches/admins of stoxpoker.com.

It looks like they have now modified that position to make it a forum for discussion of all poker training/coaching sites, which I think is a good idea both for that forum and 2+2 in general.

Re: new forum: Coaching/Training
 

El D,

Yes, I see Stox's reply to Goofyballer's post now. This sounds great, and if that's the way it's to be run, then the forum is perfectly placed as far as I'm concerned. This is very similar to the way the IB forum works.

Re: new forum: Coaching/Training
 

rofl, Taylor already owning that thread imo

Barrin6 advises...
 

This should be a good forum.

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TT,

Since it appears you coach and to one degree or another know more than us regular posters where does the site now stand on coaching discussion - especially discussing competitor sites like Cardrunners.

If the question came up i and many others would recommend CR over Stox simply due to their huge backcatalog (end shill, lol); but if i was Stox and was paying 2+2 to have this forum i wouldnt want the rest of the site recommending any other site or service like those you and goofy offer.

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Its simple actually. Users can recomend anything they want. Owners/operators/employees can respond when others ask about their services as long as it doesn't become spammy. Owners/operators/employees cannot start their own threads because that is blatant spam.

As a coach (I only have a handful of students, its not my main priority) I actually recommend that the student joins a video coaching site in addition to the one-on-one coaching. I support and recommend the student explore each of the major three sites and determine for themselves where the best fit is, sometimes that will include a subscription to more than one service. My Razz coaching videos are hosted at Deuces Cracked, because not only are we friends (I am also friendly with Stox for what its worth) but I also love their single-table one-one-one style so they have more time to discuss concepts and hand reading but there is no doubt that Stox is fantastic at multitabling and high limit vids. I was a huge supporter of Stox in the early days and I was also a member of Card Runners; in fact my style of play is very similar to Stoxtrader's thought process. Although I work with Deuces Cracked, my opinion just goes to show that there is plenty of room for multiple options - there is more than enough to go around.

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TT,

Damn, you are a really connected guy!

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TT,

Damn, you are a really connected guy!

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I forgot to mention, Diablo wont stop AIMing me while I am at work. OK, I am done dropping names for the day.

Re: new forum: Coaching/Training
 

My apologies for bringing an ATF thread back on topic, but kudos to Stox for allowing CardRunners to post their newsletter in that forum.

Re: new forum: Coaching/Training
 

bump

now there's a deucescracked coaching forum. wtf is going on? seems like this might make stoxpoker change their forum policy on allowing discussion of other sites.

Re: new forum: Coaching/Training
 

Just noticed that myself.

Key quote from deuces cracked:

"What this forum is not:

This forum is not a place for people to advertise their coaching services."

Seems like the stox forum will be for all coaching discussion that isnt related to deuces cracked.

Is it really really weird that i dont immediately recognise Joe Tall, yet the guy has 10k posts?

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The savviest part of these new forums is that I can't get the "Coaching/Training" menu to stay closed on the sidebar.

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The savviest part of these new forums is that I can't get the "Coaching/Training" menu to stay closed on the sidebar...

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FYP

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Just noticed that myself.

Key quote from deuces cracked:

"What this forum is not:

This forum is not a place for people to advertise their coaching services."

Seems like the stox forum will be for all coaching discussion that isnt related to deuces cracked.

Is it really really weird that i dont immediately recognise Joe Tall, yet the guy has 10k posts?

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he is an older very respected strategy poster, most of his posts were made back in the day

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Joe Tall is old? The same guy who dates strippers and sets up bar decathlons? Then again I guess anything over 25 passes for "old" in BBV. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Joe Tall is old? The same guy who dates strippers and sets up bar decathlons? Then again I guess anything over 25 passes for "old" in BBV. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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I'm surprised you didn't dig up that thread where I get trapped in my apartment when I was dating that girl from Colorado who's x-boyfriend showed up at my door in MASSACHUSETTS!

However, those days are behind me. I'm 35, happily married, and soon there will be a Baby Tall!

Re: new forum: Coaching/Training
 

looks like these forums are kind of sucking. I predict they'll fester awhile and then close.

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Joe Tall is old? The same guy who dates strippers and sets up bar decathlons? Then again I guess anything over 25 passes for "old" in BBV. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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35 is ancient for a poker player:)

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Joe Tall is old? The same guy who dates strippers and sets up bar decathlons? Then again I guess anything over 25 passes for "old" in BBV. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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35 is ancient for a poker player:)

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Hey! Just because I played my first hand of poker in 1979, doesn't mean I can learn anything new! These young whipper-snappers are teaching me new stuff all the time!

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looks like these forums are kind of sucking. I predict they'll fester awhile and then close.

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The discussion has picked up as of late, check out the drama on the age-old limit/NL debate: Click here.

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pfft i pwnd that thread so hard it's makin' me sammiches and iced tea

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Joe Tall is old? The same guy who dates strippers and sets up bar decathlons? Then again I guess anything over 25 passes for "old" in BBV. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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35 is ancient for a poker player:)

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Hey! Just because I played my first hand of poker in 1979, doesn't mean I can learn anything new! These young whipper-snappers are teaching me new stuff all the time!

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I meant... "... doesn't mean I CAN'T learn anythign new!", well except avoiding typos, bleh. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]