AK vs [censored] ratholer
 

not as mega-straightforward as the title might suggest

original raiser is 25/20 over a decent sample. shortstacker is, well, russian


Party Poker, $3/$6 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BB: $1,206.90
UTG: $894.30
CO: $604.80
BTN: $150
Hero (SB): $594

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $21</font>, CO folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $150 and is All-In</font>, Hero

anyone likes coldcalling and calling a reshove? just shoving ourselves?

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just shove

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just shove

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shooove

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fold

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fold

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lol

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Deftones - My Own Summer (Shove It)

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wow thats the worst song ive heard in my life

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fold

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lol

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Why lol?

With a shove or a cc you have only EV+ if you play vs. 2 high cards (or sc). But imo only a maniac would push that vs. a UTG-raiser with to more players behind.

So you may expect here ~90% 22-QQ and you are 45:55 = 1:1,22 behind (Some people say its a coinflip, i say you are behind).
your odds are 180:147 = 1,22.
So what?

In ~10% (its imho a lot) you are in front vs BTN (2 high cards, sc) ~ 60:40
[(60*180 - 40* 147)/100] * 10% = + $4,9

Vs AA/KK from Button you are Behind a lot 8 (i forget it) .

If you shove you get calls only from pp`s (AK) and you are behind again ($594)1:1,22 (i forget it).

Maybe ~2% (its not a lot) you will see AA/KK from BB or UTG and you are 18,5 : 81,5 behind ($594)

= [(18,5*771 - 81,5*594)/100]* 2% = - $9,5

So imo (it was only a very fast calculation !!)

A shove is here ~~~~~~~~ $4,9 - $9,5 = -$4,6

i would fold.

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Wait wtf folding lol???

I don't think shoving is that bad but it sucks [censored] when someone behind us wakes up with aces or kings. I don't mind just cold-calling because it looks pretty strong, and it might cause UTG to fold a hand that has decent equity against AK.)

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i would have never thought that folding would be the right move here, but it's so obvious now.

It's not like the shortstack will ever have suited connectors here. We're behind 22+,AJs+,AQo+, and we're never ahead of UTG if he decides to play. Obv. as UTG raiser, we snap here with about 50% equity, but getting no odds, it's an easy fold.

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fold

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lol

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Why lol?

With a shove or a cc you have only EV+ if you play vs. 2 high cards (or sc). But imo only a maniac would push that vs. a UTG-raiser with to more players behind.

So you may expect here ~90% 22-QQ and you are 45:55 = 1:1,22 behind (Some people say its a coinflip, i say you are behind).
your odds are 180:147 = 1,22.
So what?

In ~10% (its imho a lot) you are in front vs BTN (2 high cards, sc) ~ 60:40
[(60*180 - 40* 147)/100] * 10% = + $4,9

Vs AA/KK from Button you are Behind a lot 8 (i forget it) .

If you shove you get calls only from pp`s (AK) and you are behind again ($594)1:1,22 (i forget it).

Maybe ~2% (its not a lot) you will see AA/KK from BB or UTG and you are 18,5 : 81,5 behind ($594)

= [(18,5*771 - 81,5*594)/100]* 2% = - $9,5

So imo (it was only a very fast calculation !!)

A shove is here ~~~~~~~~ $4,9 - $9,5 = -$4,6

i would fold.

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i love when new posters don't realize regulars are leveling

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i just call this.

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folding is def not the best move, these 25 bb donks get it in with 44+ and KQ+

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It's not like the shortstack will ever have suited connectors here. We're behind 22+,AJs+,AQo+

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You may want to reconsider that range for a Russian ratholer.

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wow thats the worst song ive heard in my life

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Wow, we've found someone who has heard less than ten songs in his life.

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i love when new posters don't realize regulars are leveling

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Its only my opinion - thats all


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folding is def not the best move, these 25 bb donks get it in with 44+ and KQ+

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the smalstack isnt the problem

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Standard Fistpump and Shove!

If you get called by AA or KK you can still draw to TWO flushes...

Seriously, I don't like cold-calling here because if
a) UTG shoves you'll probably fold
b) UTG calls you have a tough decision on most flops, playing OOP with Ace High
c) it invites more players into a protected pot

Shove &gt; Call &gt; Fold

I would also shove with AQo btw.

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shove. i couldnt ever imagine folding this. if any maths proves it marginal, then the more aggressive option is always better imo.

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shove. i couldnt ever imagine folding this. if any maths proves it marginal, then the more aggressive option is always better imo.

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There is no way that you can say he has a PP 90% of the time, especially vs a 25/20 opener. If you factor in just a few more random hands then the play becomes +EV.

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is the op a level or something?