400nl - Re-raised pot with 54s
 

MP is a 25/20 tag, raising alot preflop but he's generally really weak vs 3-bets.

Villain is 39/12/2, wtsd 27% w$sd 47% over 4k hands. He's a reg and bad. Doesn't seem to 3-bet often preflop (not 3-betting AQ/JJ here). Cold calling too much, not really sure what he'll call my 3-bet with though. AQ/JJ, mid PPs and maybe sometimes some suited broadways/low PPs, but it's kinda up for you to decide what you think.


Prima Network No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

MP ($886.70)
Villain ($428.00)
Hero ($528.30)
SB ($1173.49)
BB ($585.60)
UTG ($330.00)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $16</font>, Villain calls $16, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $70</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP folds, Villain calls $54.

Flop: ($162) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Villain checks, Hero?


Bet and get it in? If we're checking what do we do if he bets for example 125 on a blank turn? How about betting small (85ish) and pushing most any turn?

I know it's hard to give a line for any given scenario, but some general thoughts on how to play this hand is appreciated.

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check/fold - mid pairs are well within his range and he's never ever folding them, but AT and AJ type hands are as well which prob check down

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check/fold - mid pairs are well within his range and he's never ever folding them, but AT and AJ type hands are as well which prob check down

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Fwiw I don't think he's calling AT preflop, maybe AJ but that might be pushing it imo.

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110.

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i prefer bet/calling. if he c/cs, i am shoving a lot of turns when he checks.

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If you check this flop, you're [censored] on the turn if he bets.

I think bet/call is pretty terrible - you have terrible equity against his range of hands that he shoves over a bet.

I'd rather bet/fold. I think he folds a ton of hands you're behind...

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I check behind and take it from there.

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I think bet/call is pretty terrible - you have terrible equity against his range of hands that he shoves over a bet.


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38%?

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I check behind and take it from there.

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I think bet/call is pretty terrible - you have terrible equity against his range of hands that he shoves over a bet.

I'd rather bet/fold. I think he folds a ton of hands you're behind...

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This is incorrect. You have great equity against his shove range given the pot odds. Against a range of TT-AA you have 37.63% equity. Add in AKs (suited to avoid it being weighted too combinatorically heavy) and you have 42.37% equity. The pot will be laying you roughly 2:1 if you bet and he shoves.

I prefer bet/call the flop for about 130. Shove any turn if he calls.

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110.

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Because you think he folds better, for protection or because you don't want to make a tricky turn decision? I think if we bet 110 we don't have much fe on the turn and I don't think he's folding better hands often.


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i prefer bet/calling. if he c/cs, i am shoving a lot of turns when he checks.


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I think this might be a good line if you're betting smallish on the flop and if by shoving a lot of turns mean T+. I'm not sure if I like shoving blanks. What do you think?


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I think bet/call is pretty terrible - you have terrible equity against his range of hands that he shoves over a bet.

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It's likely we have 10 outs if he shovs.

Re: 400nl - Re-raised pot with 54s
 

bet shove turn if he calls

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I prefer bet/call the flop for about 130. Shove any turn if he calls.

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That shove would be 230 in 420, doesn't seem good on a blank. Betting 100, shoving turn maybe?

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I think bet/call is pretty terrible - you have terrible equity against his range of hands that he shoves over a bet.

I'd rather bet/fold. I think he folds a ton of hands you're behind...

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This is incorrect. You have great equity against his shove range given the pot odds. Against a range of TT-AA you have 37.63% equity. Add in AKs (suited to avoid it being weighted too combinatorically heavy) and you have 42.37% equity. The pot will be laying you roughly 2:1 if you bet and he shoves.

I prefer bet/call the flop for about 130. Shove any turn if he calls.

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i prefer smallish flop bet to look more valueish and to make the turn shove slightly bigger for FE

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shove T+, hearts, 4, 5

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i would def bet strong, then call his CR, if not shove turn if he C/C

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bet shove turn ya

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bet/call, shove turn

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Bet $60. 3bet all in.

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i hate that idea. just bet and shove turn

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Or go all in

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i hate that idea. just bet and shove turn

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Always? I think it's a nice way to sometimes get some extra bluff chips in the pot, and we get the last bet in.

What particularly don't you like about it?

If we want to take the more normal approach, I think 110-130ish looks good, cuz it leaves us with some FE on the turn

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To those who said check behind: If you are advocating checking behind here, your first thought should be NOT 3-betting preflop. It's not like we 3-bet for value you know.

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My point is a 39/12/2 fish does not fold much preflop so you are going to see postflop action. And with 100BB stacks you need to win this a fair amount postflop by applying pressure, not by flopping big. 3-bet preflop is essentially a "massage the pot"-bet with the calling station in there, and thats not a good play with 100BBs.

So... checking the flop means we are not able to make him fold enough of his range to make a 3-bet preflop profitable.

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i agree with 3 betting most flops to make pf play profitable, just saying u cant say that just because he made that play pf, he has to bet flop. I think u should only bet if u think u can fold out tens and jacks either on flop or turn, otherwise ur pricing urself in to call a shove when ur certainly gonna be drawing.

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My point is a 39/12/2 fish does not fold much preflop so you are going to see postflop action. And with 100BB stacks you need to win this a fair amount postflop by applying pressure, not by flopping big. 3-bet preflop is essentially a "massage the pot"-bet with the calling station in there, and thats not a good play with 100BBs.

So... checking the flop means we are not able to make him fold enough of his range to make a 3-bet preflop profitable.

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I don't think checking the flop goes against raising preflop, as I think I have good fe preflop. Villain is a bad reg and cold calling too much, but he's not terrible and he's not calling my 3-bet with a big part of his range. Sure, probably more often than he should, but still not a big part of his cold calling range.

Besides an argument can be made for checking the flop because no better hands will call and no worse will fold (this is basically true). I agree betting the flop is better though for reasons already stated (setting up a turn shove, protection, avoid a tricky spot on the turn).

Benefits of checking is also that all my outs are hidden so I'm likely having good implied odds. When I hit his 66+ will always still be an overpair.