WPEX/WSEX Official Monthly Thread October/November (13 of 13)
 

I thought the central thread worked well. As Mike Haven wrote:
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Owing to continued demand, once again we have a central thread for questions, suggestions, complaints, and general discussion about WSEX.

Keeping everything in one thread helps everyone interested in WSEX to find full information, and those not interested know which thread not to read, so thank you for supporting the idea.

The WSEX GM makes a point of reading this thread every day or two, whereas he doesn't have time to search for individual comment threads scattered about the forum. If you want to be sure he sees your questions, etc, then you should post here.

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The previous central WPEX thread is here.

In another thread 707782 wrote:

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WSEX got to make their security system better. Password can not be longer than 8 characters? To change password, no need to confirm old password? No email send to confirm?

Please...

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Agree 100% 707. This and the marketing are easily the most important things to focus on, IMO. We've heard that the marketing is getting ready to kick in, but we haven't heard much from the GM on the security front.

Unacceptable security practices at WPEX/WSEX

1) Username and password are sent in the clear, unencrypted, from the main WSEX page. The link to a secure login is there, but the words 'secure log-in' may unfortunately make some users think the boxes there on the front page are secure.

2) Customer service asks for password over the phone. There is no reason that customer service should EVER have access to unencrypted passwords.

3) The items noted by 707 above.

Items 1 and 3 should be top priority for your software guys, IMO, WSEX GM.

2 should also be high priority, and can be solved by changing practices and making sure passwords are only stored as encrypted strings on your servers. I can see the need to maintain phone service, but ID over the phone should consist of other information than password.

I hope you will take this seriously, because someone's account is bound to get compromised otherwise.

Thank you,
Benjamin <-- not quite an expert, but I did take a graduate level course in computer security.

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The good news is that I got a check in eight days via airmail.

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Looks like things have been picking up lately. They have apparently turned off the doomswitch, as I have ran $1.20 into $45 (no freerolls either, yo- all cash play). Fred should spam the piss out of all the people that have left, citing a graph of my progress as evidence that it is safe to return.

In all seriousness, another "Grease the Wheel" campaign ought to be in order soon. WPX has made some mistakes, but at least they have been willing to listen. It sure would be nice to see the snowball finally start to roll.

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Fred should spam the piss out of all the people that have left

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Spam departed players bragging about all the improvements, and offer a reload bonus: guaranteed significant bump in traffic.

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#1 easy security fix: remove the login textboxes from the main page. Leave the 'Secure Log-in' link prominently displayed.

Temp 100% Rakeback
 

Contemporaneous thread

I like the suggestions to change wording of adverts from 'rakeback' to 'we pay you to play poker'. Getting rid of 'rakeback' has been suggested before. It's such a dead word compared to alternatives like 'bonus' or 'pay'.

How about 'Biggest Bonus in Poker!' With the last weekly high earn: 'WPEX_grl' earned $4,500 in Bonus last week!'

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Contemporaneous thread

I like the suggestions to change wording of adverts from 'rakeback' to 'we pay you to play poker'. Getting rid of 'rakeback' has been suggested before. It's such a dead word compared to alternatives like 'bonus' or 'pay'.

How about 'Biggest Bonus in Poker!' With the last weekly high earn: 'WPEX_grl' earned $4,500 in Bonus last week!'

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I made that suggestion some months ago. A very effective, cheap/free marketing device would be to have a weekly and yearly rakeback leader board.

Casual players would be stunned to see that its not only possible, but commonplace, to save thousands each week and tens of thousands each year by playing WPX.

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A very effective, cheap/free marketing device would be to have a weekly and yearly rakeback leader board.

Casual players would be stunned to see that its not only possible, but commonplace, to save thousands each week and tens of thousands each year by playing WPX.

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Excellent suggestion, jfk.

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agreed. a rakeback leaderboard would be awesome. you could then even give some kind of small prize to top finisher(s) every week/month or whatever. Obviously something small, the idea is not for you to lose money but to market well. Actually, since the highest rakeback would always be the higher stakes regulars, it'd probably be best if it was some small prize spread across the top25 or something.

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Seems like the 100% Rakeback promo is generating some traffic, 5 full NL100 running now. Its not many, but its more then normal.

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for the smallest stakes of holdem, the min buy in is 50 cents.

My account has 49 cents.

No Wpex for me

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for the smallest stakes of holdem, the min buy in is 50 cents.

My account has 49 cents.

No Wpex for me

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...not so. Jump in a freeroll MTT. They run several a day. I think the winner gets something like $12.50. I don't know what ITM pays but its has to be at least a penny.

For all I know there could be small villages in Albania which subsist on the revenue generated by WPX freerolls.

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So is it still a rock garden over at WPEX or have the games loosened up a bit?

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for the smallest stakes of holdem, the min buy in is 50 cents.

My account has 49 cents.

No Wpex for me

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Americans cant fund their accounts?

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I can't install this program, every time I try it gets like 10 percent of the way through "unpacking" the files or something and never does anything else.

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So is it still a rock garden over at WPEX or have the games loosened up a bit?

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I wasn't aware that it ever was a rock garden.

The games there kinda reminded me of some local guys I would play live with. Things start out tight and then somebody takes a beat. They get angry, start pushing and others start looking them up. More beats happen, emotions continue to rise and madness ensues.

All of Tuff Fish's complaining about there being nothing but nitty grinders at WPX is nonsense. Some of the most consistently crazy-aggro games I have ever seen have taken place on that site.

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So someone give me some good updates here..

Why hasn't WSEX taken off? I would love to play there if they could emulate stars/tilt and put 75% rakeback instead. I never wanted 100% rakeback because I knew the site couldn't really handle it. Also, I remember them stating they didn't even want high volume since they couldn't make any money anyways.

So now that they want high volume, what are they going to do? With a good marketing program and some loyal followers and 75% rakeback, this place should be rocking.

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Well, they have to get the words out there right, WPEX never email their players about the promotion, and posting here is not going to spread the word out.

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I wasn't aware that it ever was a rock garden.

The games there kinda reminded me of some local guys I would play live with. Things start out tight and then somebody takes a beat. They get angry, start pushing and others start looking them up. More beats happen, emotions continue to rise and madness ensues.

All of Tuff Fish's complaining about there being nothing but nitty grinders at WPX is nonsense. Some of the most consistently crazy-aggro games I have ever seen have taken place on that site.

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Amen. It can be a nuthouse. The roster of hard core regulars seems to be a couple of dozen at the most. These people have played tens of thousands of hands against each other so there's a lot more psychology going on than you'll see at other sites.

The battle between the 14/12/3 TAGs and the 25/14/2 LAGs can get highly personal and you need to figure out who, when and where to make your adjustments.

There's a lot more fluidity as well. There are players who may play 3/6 and 30/60 in the same day depending on lineup or other motivations.

Some months ago someone in the mid-limit forum described WPX as a knife fight. Be prepared to get cut. The rock garden doesn't exist.

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Some months ago someone in the mid-limit forum described WPX as a knife fight.

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haha i hardly ever play on wpex (for the reasons you described), but when i do, that is the exact quote i go to when i take my first beat

"it's a [censored] knife fight here man, just relax, this is a [censored] knife fight"

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Why hasn't WSEX taken off?

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In the past multiple bad software/server issues destroyed their initial momentum from publicity from going rakefree. Then they kicked out a bunch of suspected bots, and the player population crashed to the point it's hard to find a game.

They say they are initiating a marketing program to reboot and try to build momentum again. This promotion is part of that, I guess.

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I wasn't aware that it ever was a rock garden.

The games there kinda reminded me of some local guys I would play live with. Things start out tight and then somebody takes a beat. They get angry, start pushing and others start looking them up. More beats happen, emotions continue to rise and madness ensues.


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Loooooool this is so accurate. Well described.

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why arent they reimbursing players who lost to bots like all of the other sites do????

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I wasn't aware that it ever was a rock garden.

The games there kinda reminded me of some local guys I would play live with. Things start out tight and then somebody takes a beat. They get angry, start pushing and others start looking them up. More beats happen, emotions continue to rise and madness ensues.

All of Tuff Fish's complaining about there being nothing but nitty grinders at WPX is nonsense. Some of the most consistently crazy-aggro games I have ever seen have taken place on that site.

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Amen. It can be a nuthouse. The roster of hard core regulars seems to be a couple of dozen at the most. These people have played tens of thousands of hands against each other so there's a lot more psychology going on than you'll see at other sites.

The battle between the 14/12/3 TAGs and the 25/14/2 LAGs can get highly personal and you need to figure out who, when and where to make your adjustments.

There's a lot more fluidity as well. There are players who may play 3/6 and 30/60 in the same day depending on lineup or other motivations.

Some months ago someone in the mid-limit forum described WPX as a knife fight. Be prepared to get cut. The rock garden doesn't exist.

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if it is actually good there, it seems you might want to keep that a secret.

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Well, they have to get the words out there right, WPEX never email their players about the promotion, and posting here is not going to spread the word out.

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i get emails about the promotions.

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if it is actually good there, it seems you might want to keep that a secret.

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"Good" is in the eye of the beholder. I'm just trying to clear up misperceptions about the nature of the games. In my experience, the games play differently at WPX then at other sites because of the nature of the smallish player base.

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Well, they have to get the words out there right, WPEX never email their players about the promotion, and posting here is not going to spread the word out.

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i get emails about the promotions.

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I get e-mails from them with my RB statement yet do not usually receive promotional e-mails. no biggie since I hear about it here...but you would think they would want to e-mail ALL their players.

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I always read that bots were approximately break even and only could profit on rakeback. That is why bots may have been attracted to WPEX rackback.

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If WSEX manager is reading this thread, they could learn a lot. I mean come on, every week, we get a useless email about the rakeback made, but they never send out emails about their promotions, how would they think that their players or people knows about it, 90% people don't read 2+2 all the time.

Still, the traffic has definitively pick up during this promotion, but it would be a lot better.

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If WSEX manager is reading this thread, they could learn a lot. I mean come on, every week, we get a useless email about the rakeback made, but they never send out emails about their promotions, how would they think that their players or people knows about it, 90% people don't read 2+2 all the time.

Still, the traffic has definitively pick up during this promotion, but it would be a lot better.

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They DO send emails...perhaps you're not getting them for some reason? I set up an account a couple of months ago, but haven't played there yet...got an email last Friday about the 100% RB promotion.

I see MicroBob didn't get an email either...do they have an opt-in/out choice for promotional emails you guys might have chosen differently than others?

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I can't install this program, every time I try it gets like 10 percent of the way through "unpacking" the files or something and never does anything else.

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Maybe a Vista security issue? I'd contact customer service and ask for help.

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Americans cant fund their accounts?

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Yes, they can. Variety of options.

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why arent they reimbursing players who lost to bots like all of the other sites do????

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why arent they reimbursing players who lost to bots like all of the other sites do????

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They said there wasn't hard evidence sufficient to seize funds.

I have rarely if ever heard of bot accounts being seized and redistributed on any site. Site response has typically been weak from what I've seen. At least WPEX didn't deny and ignore like many sites have.

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If WSEX manager is reading this thread, they could learn a lot. I mean come on, every week, we get a useless email about the rakeback made, but they never send out emails about their promotions, how would they think that their players or people knows about it, 90% people don't read 2+2 all the time.

Still, the traffic has definitively pick up during this promotion, but it would be a lot better.

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They DO send emails...perhaps you're not getting them for some reason? I set up an account a couple of months ago, but haven't played there yet...got an email last Friday about the 100% RB promotion.

I see MicroBob didn't get an email either...do they have an opt-in/out choice for promotional emails you guys might have chosen differently than others?

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I don't think so.
I think I got a promotional e-mail a few months ago. But they've had a couple since then that I haven't received and don't show up in my spam-box or anything.
But I'm still getting my rakeback statement e-mailed to me no problem.

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Is WPEX down right now by any chance?

I can get onto Stars fine but can't get onto WPEX. Have uninstalled and reinstalled and it still won't connect.

Might be my hotel connection I guess but getting on Stars is no problem.

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okay, I got barely enough signal on my cellular air-card thingee to connect and I got on WPEX just fine. But again on the hotel's internet connection it seems like it's blocked. Weird.

Re: WPEX/WSEX Official Monthly Thread October/November (13 of 13)
 

I would give WPEX a real chance if thy had better promotions: a reload bonus bottomless or something for their FPPs or whatever they call them like a store.

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75% rakeback and Aces never lose bonuses are better then any other bonuses you will find around! lol

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yeah, Can't believe you would actually complain that their promotions aren't good enough.
75% or 100% RB plus aces never lose is definitely better than any other promotions. It's just the game-selection and availability that sucks. Definitely not the promotions.