Squeezed ATs on the button... (200nl)
 

Both initial raiser and cold caller are pretty standard TAGs, UTG 18/16, MP 20/15, note that its 5 handed. My image at the table is very snug, Ive been fairly card dead for the 30 hands or so that Ive been at the table for.

Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BB: $200
UTG: $379.60
CO: $125.50
Hero (BTN): $254.70
SB: $65.05

Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $7</font>, CO calls $7, <font color="red">Hero raises to $31</font>, 2 folds, UTG calls $24, CO folds

Flop: ($72) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($72) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $50</font>, Hero calls $50

River: ($172) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $70</font>


Weiiiird bet size, and fwiw he absolutely tanked and used 1/2 his time bank before betting.

Comments on all streets plz, except preflop which im fine with sometimes.

Re: Squeezed ATs on the button... (200nl)
 

pf, flop and turn are fine. pretty weird river spot, logically i think he has it like 85%+ of the time but i prob still wouldn't fold to such a small bet

Re: Squeezed ATs on the button... (200nl)
 

I dont like to do this with a hand like this vs an utg 18/16 raiser esp not with a caller behind. I think ur dead here. I like flop and turn, but river spot really sucks [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Re: Squeezed ATs on the button... (200nl)
 

Fold river.

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This spot kind of sucks
It looks like he either trying to get value from an undpair like queens or jacks or blocking with an underpair. Probably the former a lot more often than the latter. Probably a fold, I doubt he shows up with QQ here often enough.

Re: Squeezed ATs on the button... (200nl)
 

I hate preflop. You build a nice pot for someone who has your ace dominated. You also risk a 4 bet and be forced to fold a hand that still has equity in the hand. UTGs range really isn't that wide. If UTG were a 32/25 or something, I like it a lot more.

Because of all this, I don't know how to play this post flop. He's probably betting his big aces on the turn, and a king. He might fire with a low pkt pair, but I don't know how often.

Re: Squeezed ATs on the button... (200nl)
 

I like preflop, just not against UTG raising TAG's who are 18/16!

Re: Squeezed ATs on the button... (200nl)
 

ok I personally have a pfr of 16 and my opening range UTG 5 handed is very wide, I dont think preflop is really an issue.

Re: Squeezed ATs on the button... (200nl)
 

Don't thy like always have it here?

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I think he has it nearly always yeah, posting this hand to check on that.

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ok I personally have a pfr of 16 and my opening range UTG 5 handed is very wide, I dont think preflop is really an issue.

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I dont think you would ever raise it to $31 with AA

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ok I personally have a pfr of 16 and my opening range UTG 5 handed is very wide, I dont think preflop is really an issue.

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I dont think you would ever raise it to $31 with AA

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ok I personally have a pfr of 16 and my opening range UTG 5 handed is very wide, I dont think preflop is really an issue.

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ok I personally have a pfr of 16 and my opening range UTG 5 handed is very wide, I dont think preflop is really an issue.

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I dont think you would ever raise it to $31 with AA

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Re: Squeezed ATs on the button... (200nl)
 

Question is if "like always" is more than 80%. It's hard to estimate this by experience because you could easily be behind 75% and still lose five in a row and your interpretation will be "omg I'm never ahead here". Still I dump this. You only beat a bluff or retardly played QQ/JJ.

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ok I personally have a pfr of 16 and my opening range UTG 5 handed is very wide, I dont think preflop is really an issue.

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I dont think you would ever raise it to $31 with AA

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Ok,Im not sure what OP means aboth abwt $16 but I jst dont understand why he reraises $31 it even looks like a squeeze

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ok I personally have a pfr of 16 and my opening range UTG 5 handed is very wide, I dont think preflop is really an issue.

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I dont think you would ever raise it to $31 with AA

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Ok,Im not sure what OP means aboth abwt $16 but I jst dont understand why he reraises $31 it even looks like a squeeze

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You know, when someone says they're getting 3:1, I don't even know what that means.

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ok I personally have a pfr of 16 and my opening range UTG 5 handed is very wide, I dont think preflop is really an issue.

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I dont think you would ever raise it to $31 with AA

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Ok,Im not sure what OP means aboth abwt $16 but I jst dont understand why he reraises $31 it even looks like a squeeze

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You know, when someone says they're getting 3:1, I don't even know what that means.

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Ahahaahhaha im laughing at myself [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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ok I personally have a pfr of 16 and my opening range UTG 5 handed is very wide, I dont think preflop is really an issue.

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I dont think you would ever raise it to $31 with AA

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Ok,Im not sure what OP means aboth abwt $16 but I jst dont understand why he reraises $31 it even looks like a squeeze

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You know, when someone says they're getting 3:1, I don't even know what that means.

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Ahahaahhaha im laughing at myself [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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OK in case you really don't know, 16 pfr is the percentage of hands they raise preflop.

Also, the raise to $31 is completely standard -- you should be doing this with AA and other premiums, as well as your squeezes. We want to play both in the same way so as to disguise our hands, and also want to raise enough so we're not automatically giving the odds to our opponents to set mine.

Let's say I raise $8 pre and you have AA -- are you going to raise to a proper amount, about $26, or are you going to minreraise to $16 worried that I might otherwise fold? If you answered the latter, I'm correctly snap-calling every time. Fundamental theory of poker or whatever -- we make money when our opponents make mistakes -- raising smaller amounts makes it easier for our opponents to play correctly.

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ok I personally have a pfr of 16 and my opening range UTG 5 handed is very wide, I dont think preflop is really an issue.

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I dont think you would ever raise it to $31 with AA

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Yea, really. $31 appears to be a standard 3bet amount in this spot. I just dont like it with hands that are easily dominated, but I guess depending on the raiser it's pretty standard.

Re: Squeezed ATs on the button... (200nl)
 

hmm i don't really like pf all that much. ATs is a nice hand i dont mind taking multiway w. position. we aren't ahead of either's calling range (well, sometimes flipping with CO's pp).