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YouCantEscape 10-08-2007 06:00 AM

[100NL 6max] 87s reraised pot
 
Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

MP: $95.60
CO: $102.90
BTN: $211.85
SB: $95.95
Hero (BB): $193.35
UTG: $115.25

Pre-Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
3 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $3.50</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $11</font>, BTN calls $7.50

Flop: ($22.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $15</font>, BTN calls $15

Turn: ($52.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $48</font>, Hero calls $48

River: ($148.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $137.85 and is All-In</font>, Hero folds

Results: $148.50 Pot ($3 Rake)
BTN mucked and WON $145.50 (+$71.50 NET)

carnivalhobo 10-08-2007 06:03 AM

Re: [100NL 6max] 87s reraised pot
 
turn seems like a hot double barrel spot, but its played fine

i think you win enough if you hit to make the turn call profitable.

KhalynYohrk 10-08-2007 06:45 AM

Re: [100NL 6max] 87s reraised pot
 
I dont like the call on the turn. I think you gotta respect that turn bet.

carnivalhobo 10-08-2007 06:46 AM

Re: [100NL 6max] 87s reraised pot
 
2 hand posts/day limit sir.

djj6835 10-08-2007 06:47 AM

Re: [100NL 6max] 87s reraised pot
 
I would bet the turn against most players. Outside of making your straight or flush that ace looks pretty nice.

YouCantEscape 10-08-2007 07:01 AM

Re: [100NL 6max] 87s reraised pot
 
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2 hand posts/day limit sir.

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oops forgot about that.

KhalynYohrk 10-08-2007 10:44 AM

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I dont like the call on the turn. I think you gotta respect that turn bet.

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Thoughts on folding to this bet vs continuing?

Unknown Soldier 10-08-2007 10:51 AM

Re: [100NL 6max] 87s reraised pot
 
pleeeeease jam the turn

warrantofice 10-08-2007 11:15 AM

Re: [100NL 6max] 87s reraised pot
 
You can only post 2 hands every day??? Weird.

as for the hand...I don't like your preflop raise.

If you raising from the blinds you want to encourage a fold and 11 dollars just won't do that. Raising 11 will most likely get a call and with 87s your looking to flop as straight or flush draw - (yes trips/2 pair/flopped striaght/flush would be better) but unlikely. So your going to be playing a drawing hand out of position - not impossible, but not fun.

So raise 14 or so on preflop. on the flop you hit its as well as you can expect too - gut shot flush draw. Well you gotta bet here and be huge i would say 80-90% of the pot. If you villian is an aggressive player you may want to go for a large check raise.

this is a good flop for you but it's also a good flop for a lot of other hands. J10 connects with a lot of boards so i would try to force the villian into a flop

as you played it...on the turn...i don't know that is just so so ugly calling that huge bet, it really seems like he has a good idea that your on a draw here, so you really only have good implied odds to hit your 9 cause any diamond i'm sure your only getting paid off a little bit. I gotta say fold here...its good practice. If you play really well and think you can extract or possibly pull some wild bluff than maybe call, but i'd just save your money.

KhalynYohrk 10-08-2007 11:15 AM

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pleeeeease jam the turn

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What do you prefer betting out or CRAI. I seriously doubt with 1 to come when strait outs can esily be no good that this is +EV

AFennewald 10-08-2007 11:21 AM

Re: [100NL 6max] 87s reraised pot
 
bet the turn the A is a great dbl barle card.

YouCantEscape 10-08-2007 11:50 AM

Re: [100NL 6max] 87s reraised pot
 
Somehow any turn line sucks.

1) If I double barrel and he pushes I have to fold because we are deep and im not getting the right price. I might lose my equity here by turning my hand into a bluff that cannot stand a push.
2) I am uncertain about a c/rAI as well. I do not know if ive got enough fold equity to turn this move +EV

So I probably should just c/c if I get good pot odds. In this case it would rather be a fold.

Do you agree?

sgepower 10-08-2007 12:12 PM

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Somehow any turn line sucks.


2) I am uncertain about a c/rAI as well. I do not know if ive got enough fold equity to turn this move +EV





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Problem with line no 2 is that a smart villain might realize that your hand cant stand a large bet and might try to take it down with a strong-looking bet .
You can't always be sure if he's taking that turn line with a hand that might have been folded to a check raise allin o r not .

I think if you take into account that you are both deep stacked ,line number one makes lot more sense to me .

If you get pushed off that hand , reload and wait for a better spot.

martijn 10-08-2007 12:14 PM

Re: [100NL 6max] 87s reraised pot
 
I really like betting turn here.

Some9 10-08-2007 06:04 PM

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raise more pf, bet more on flop, shove turn.

thats how I play that.

KurtSF 10-08-2007 06:19 PM

Re: [100NL 6max] 87s reraised pot
 
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Somehow any turn line sucks.

1) If I double barrel and he pushes I have to fold because we are deep and im not getting the right price. I might lose my equity here by turning my hand into a bluff that cannot stand a push.


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You also can't call a PSB on the turn, especially when many of your outs (flush) are obvious and unlikely to get paid off. So you're better off setting the price then checking and letting him take the pot away from you when you have so much equity.

Bet $30 on the turn imo.

Nick Royale 10-08-2007 06:19 PM

Re: [100NL 6max] 87s reraised pot
 
You need to bet the turn, I don't think c/c is fine.

el_grande 10-08-2007 06:29 PM

Re: [100NL 6max] 87s reraised pot
 
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Somehow any turn line sucks.

1) If I double barrel and he pushes I have to fold because we are deep and im not getting the right price. I might lose my equity here by turning my hand into a bluff that cannot stand a push.


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You also can't call a PSB on the turn, especially when many of your outs (flush) are obvious and unlikely to get paid off. So you're better off setting the price then checking and letting him take the pot away from you when you have so much equity.

Bet $30 on the turn imo.

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I was about to say that.

You just have to steal after nearly destroying your hand value equity with that pf reraise.


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