NL100: Rivered straight, I raise, villain 3bets AI
 

Villian is 36/17/1.1 over ~120 hands

No real reads other than that he has made some loose flop calls.

I figured raising the river is the default play but the river 3-bet made me want to puke.

I only have the 3rd nuts, so do I call?


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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
4 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $58.00
Hero: $108.95
SB: $11.00
BB: $102.10

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $3.5</font>, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($7.5, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $5.5</font>, BB calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($18.5, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($18.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $4</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $20</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises all-in $89.1</font>, Hero ?

Re: NL100: Rivered straight, I raise, villain 3bets AI
 

I curse and fold. Looks to me as though all you beat is a bluff.

Re: NL100: Rivered straight, I raise, villain 3bets AI
 

Tough...you're getting 2:1 though and he might have KT.
Since the hands that beat you are kinda unlikely given flop action, except he was also flushing, i think you need to call.

What kind of loose flop calls has he made before?

Re: NL100: Rivered straight, I raise, villain 3bets AI
 

I saw him call a $14 push in a limped pot with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] on a K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] flop

Re: NL100: Rivered straight, I raise, villain 3bets AI
 

instacall

Re: NL100: Rivered straight, I raise, villain 3bets AI
 

call

Re: NL100: Rivered straight, I raise, villain 3bets AI
 

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what hands do you put him on?

Re: NL100: Rivered straight, I raise, villain 3bets AI
 

I think the fact you come alive on this river should scare him. I think you only beat a bluff, and if he was bluffing I think he bets more than $4 on the river. And if he was "value betting" something and thinks your raise is a bluff cuz he bet so small, I think hed just call, not shove.

I would fold

Re: NL100: Rivered straight, I raise, villain 3bets AI
 

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I saw him call a $14 push in a limped pot with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] on a K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] flop

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That is more reasonable than floating with gutshots oop, which makes your hand more of a call

Re: NL100: Rivered straight, I raise, villain 3bets AI
 

some dumb set/2pr alot

notice that in order for him to have a better straight he would have had to c/c a gut shot oop. (not saying he cant have it but if theyre in his range then so are sets/2prs)

Re: NL100: Rivered straight, I raise, villain 3bets AI
 

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what hands do you put him on?

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I saw him call a $14 push in a limped pot with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] on a K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] flop

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Re: NL100: Rivered straight, I raise, villain 3bets AI
 

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some dumb set/2pr alot

notice that in order for him to have a better straight he would have had to c/c a gut shot oop. (not saying he cant have it but if theyre in his range then so are sets/2prs)

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what does he put you on then? You come alive on a T river, if hes got 2 pair or a set, hes gunna be worried you hit TT or QJ

Re: NL100: Rivered straight, I raise, villain 3bets AI
 

nah, because hes retarded.

Re: NL100: Rivered straight, I raise, villain 3bets AI
 

he puts us on nothing b/c we checked turn

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he puts us on nothing b/c we checked turn

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yeah, thats what he puts us on when he bets the river, but after we raise the river, even retarded people look to see what beats them. QJ is glaringly obvious even for retards to see

plus its not like we have some iron clad read hes a retarded, just that he makes some loose calls.

Re: NL100: Rivered straight, I raise, villain 3bets AI
 

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I saw him call a $14 push in a limped pot with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] on a K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] flop

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That is more reasonable than floating with gutshots oop, which makes your hand more of a call

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who says hes floating? Why cant he just be calling with a gutshot cuz hes hoping to hit his hand. thats loose calling personified.

Re: NL100: Rivered straight, I raise, villain 3bets AI
 

prob of two pair &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; prob of gutshot

Re: NL100: Rivered straight, I raise, villain 3bets AI
 

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prob of two pair &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; prob of gutshot

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not if you discount the flopped 2 pairs cuz he didnt raise them

Re: NL100: Rivered straight, I raise, villain 3bets AI
 

can someone tell me if I'm reading the board correctly? we have the 3rd nuts and only lose to QJ and J8 which are gutshots right?

Re: NL100: Rivered straight, I raise, villain 3bets AI
 

Are we levelling people in SSNL too now, or are people seriously thinking about a fold?

Re: NL100: Rivered straight, I raise, villain 3bets AI
 

wtf at folding

this is such an easy call.

Re: NL100: Rivered straight, I raise, villain 3bets AI
 

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prob of two pair &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; prob of gutshot

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not if you discount the flopped 2 pairs cuz he didnt raise them

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Even so, the pot more than makes up for the 5 combo's difference(27 combos of rivered 2pr and 32 combos of rivered str8 that beat us)

Re: NL100: Rivered straight, I raise, villain 3bets AI
 

Never ever fold here.

If he has the higher straight, it's a cooler.

Re: NL100: Rivered straight, I raise, villain 3bets AI
 

Consensus seems to be call, so I guess I screwed up when I folded.

The more I think about it, the more I think I probably should've called. I can totally see him playing a set like this or maybe KT.

It's just suck a [censored] up spot. I see players peeling the flop with gutshots all the time and if he was flushing too, then it's totally possible that he made a higher straight.

Re: NL100: Rivered straight, I raise, villain 3bets AI
 

Wow definitely call.

Re: NL100: Rivered straight, I raise, villain 3bets AI
 

how is this ever a fold...only dead to two hands, J8 / QJ, I think he shows up here with rivered two pair all the time... 9 T or some similar BS. I think a set bets the turn, but stil... call call call

Re: NL100: Rivered straight, I raise, villain 3bets AI
 

you have to call this