Tough spot #2
 

357xx in the SB in a 3 or 4 handed game after an aggresive button raises.. you?

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instamuck. Does your hand even play well against 24xxx OOP? But if you're playing bruto I can see why you'd want to gamble =)

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call. This hand begs to play multi-way when your out of position.

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I might be OK with playing this if button is aggro enough to be raising 46 or something, and you were playing 15/30. In any other game I think it just has to be a fold.

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Fold unless it's 2/3 blinds.

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Nobody said raise yet? I'm raising.

-DeathDonkey

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the reasons aggro buttons make money is ppl start raising 357xx against them OOP. When you're about neutral EV against the worst in his range, why 3 bet OOP?

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definitely a call in .50-1.00, per TT's post above.:)

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the reasons aggro buttons make money is ppl start raising 357xx against them OOP. When you're about neutral EV against the worst in his range, why 3 bet OOP?

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great post. Always control the size of the pot!

I don't fault those who say fold, but I think calling is slightly better because you need to find spots to play vs an agro button, he will generally pay off like an ATM when he loses. The best bet is to let him keep his button lead and encourage the BB to play on. A common mistake in 2-7 is trying to play every hand heads up, some hands play better multiway and out of position because your less likely to spew chips and when you hit you win big.

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I generally agree with what you're saying, but I'm not so sure this hand plays well 3 handed. It's a hand I'll definitely complete in the BB in a 4 way pot, but generally you're playing 87 97 here alot in a 3 way pot, so I'm not so sure how well it plays hu or multiway.

I'm only saying this because I'm fairly confident I've spewed quite alot of money playing hands like this against aggro buttons.

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I generally agree with what you're saying, but I'm not so sure this hand plays well 3 handed. It's a hand I'll definitely complete in the BB in a 4 way pot, but generally you're playing 87 97 here alot in a 3 way pot, so I'm not so sure how well it plays hu or multiway.

I'm only saying this because I'm fairly confident I've spewed quite alot of money playing hands like this against aggro buttons.

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I agree its a close decision, if there was a better way to measure equity I would of course. From years of play and gut instinct I think calling has a slightly greater expected value over folding or 3-betting.

One thing i have done in the past year is tighten my blind defense range. I used to play hands like 23xxx all the time, now I only play that hand in the BB when defending. I think that was a leak... I got in too many rough situations because I started with a 2 card hand, improved to a 3 card hand and stayed with it to the river because in my mind it was a defense - yuck. I dont feel the same about 735xx in the SB however, I can play that hand pretty comfortably because its easy to dump and its also easy to improve and know where you stand.

I think the #1 error that most good players make is they don't adjust how they play the hand if they improve, you must adjust vs an opponent who is very agro and 100% showdown bound, don't let them put the pressure on you... sometimes there is value in checking. Too many great players play straight from SSII, they don't bother applying Theory of Poker concepts... when you get back to the fact that its just poker then there are some very subtle nuances you can add to your game to adjust.