Bottom Set, ugly board, strange bet: Who folds?
 

<font color="blue">I am new at the table so everybody is unknow. Who folds here because of villan's bet / push? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
I rules out higher set because I thought they might get reraised preflop.</font>

Prima Network No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

UTG ($92.50)
MP ($75.63)
CO ($150.36)
Button ($124.00)
SB ($66.96)
Hero ($106.68)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $4</font>, CO calls $4, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls $3.50, Hero calls $3.

Flop: ($16) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $4</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $20.5</font>, MP folds, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $146.36 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls $83.18 (All-In).

Turn: ($266.04) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

River: ($266.04) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $266.04

Re: Bottom Set, ugly board, strange bet: Who folds?
 

I think I prefer bet/3-bet with a view to getting it all in asap, if he has a flopped straight you still aren't in bad shape, but 2pr and fd make up a big part of his range here.

That said you managed to get it all in so should be pretty happy.

Re: Bottom Set, ugly board, strange bet: Who folds?
 

Ah ok I see you point. You mean I should bet because someone has most likely hit and will at least call and I want to make the pot as big as possible?

Re: Bottom Set, ugly board, strange bet: Who folds?
 

he could have KT he could have KQ and its not really that likely that he has QQ or KK, he could have like JTdiamonds And ofcourse AJ. And this could also be some goofy bluff, or overplayed QT AA or AK. Your ahead of taht range so call..

Re: Bottom Set, ugly board, strange bet: Who folds?
 

This is a really bad spot for a checkraise, and your raise size is too weak.

Re: Bottom Set, ugly board, strange bet: Who folds?
 

Kind of yeah, I bet here because:

~ I don't want it to get checked around

~ If I don't bet when I hit my hand then who is going to believe me when I do bet?

~ A CR is so much stronger than a donk bet and you dont want your opponent to fold

~ If you bet/3-bet then when when it gets back round to the guy who raised you he's invested more and the pot is bigger so he'll more likely call

The best reason I can come up for CR is that the guy who raised pre flop is next to act, so if he cbets you are going to trap some calls before you make your raise. If you are 100% sure he's going to cbet then I like a CR.

All that said though you managed to get it all in so should be happy! If you lost it doesn't matter, when you're 100BB deep and you flop a set I can't think of any situation I'd not be happy about getting it all in.

Re: Bottom Set, ugly board, strange bet: Who folds?
 

Yes I was happy. Just wanted to ask about the bet / push of Villan. God hates me lately. He had QQ

Re: Bottom Set, ugly board, strange bet: Who folds?
 

Also the fact that pple might do this with random flush draws makes it an easy call

Re: Bottom Set, ugly board, strange bet: Who folds?
 

seems pretty standard to me. you could have 3bet PF but calling is just as good at a table of unknowns

Re: Bottom Set, ugly board, strange bet: Who folds?
 

would anyone not c/r with a big draw here. if you donk you force the PFR to fold really, unless he has a monster.

Re: Bottom Set, ugly board, strange bet: Who folds?
 

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This is a really bad spot for a checkraise,

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the worst thing here would be to have this checked through. and there is no way im letting that happen which is why im leading this flop and looking to get it AI.

with no reads im raising more on the flop so its an easy turn shove, however im not sure about shoving that particualr turn because i think your ahead if you get called never.

any other turn though im shoving if just called on the flop.

Re: Bottom Set, ugly board, strange bet: Who folds?
 

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would anyone not c/r with a big draw here. if you donk you force the PFR to fold really, unless he has a monster.

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a set is alot different to a big draw

Re: Bottom Set, ugly board, strange bet: Who folds?
 

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would anyone not c/r with a big draw here. if you donk you force the PFR to fold really, unless he has a monster.

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a set is alot different to a big draw

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yes but it is good to play them the same way. if everyone leads with a set here and c/r with a big draw then that becomes expoitable. i don't think that it checking behind is that bad anyway. if a heart or 4 to a straight hit then you don't have to put in any money at all, whilst peoples draws become alot weaker on the turn if they don't hit. obviously our equity against the made straight will decrease as well, but we might be able to see 5 cards w/o stacking off