3-bet pot, scary turn, OOP, what to do? 200NL
 

No Reads

Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: $262.55
BTN: $222.95
SB: $198
Hero (BB): $200
UTG: $450.75
MP: $197

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
3 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $7</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $22</font>, BTN calls $15

Flop: ($45) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $36</font>, BTN calls $36

Turn: ($117) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)

Results: $117 Pot ($117 Rake)

Re: 3-bet pot, scary turn, OOP, what to do? 200NL
 

bet 77

Re: 3-bet pot, scary turn, OOP, what to do? 200NL
 

I don't think you should be too scared; 2 J's on board probably cuts down the % of him holding one. I'd bet 85 and fold to raise.

Re: 3-bet pot, scary turn, OOP, what to do? 200NL
 

i like a smallish turn bet - like 64. this makes it easy for villain to call with Ax/KK and a lot of guys wont realize that calling commits them... river shove will only be ~1/3 pot.

whatever you do, dont bet/fold

Re: 3-bet pot, scary turn, OOP, what to do? 200NL
 

bet . call raise / push river

Re: 3-bet pot, scary turn, OOP, what to do? 200NL
 

That's not a scary card really. Villain is unlikely to turn up with AJ/QJ/KJ/J10 in a 3-bet pot, although it does happen from time to time. I view the turn as helpful as it reduces the combination of cards that beat you. There is now only 1 combo for quads and since you've double paired the other two cards AA-QQ are also not very likely. It's therefore much more likely that villain has AK or some other fairly weak hand so I'd bet for value accordingly.

Re: 3-bet pot, scary turn, OOP, what to do? 200NL
 

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I'd bet 85 and fold to raise.

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if you bet 85 here and fold getting ~6:1 on your last 57$ i think you are making a major mistake.

Re: 3-bet pot, scary turn, OOP, what to do? 200NL
 

Yeah sorry didn't see stacks were short, then bet/call.

Re: 3-bet pot, scary turn, OOP, what to do? 200NL
 

I porbably bet ~$70 and get it in. Against aggressive opponents, check-raise all-in can be pretty hot on the turn but without reads I usually just bet.

Re: 3-bet pot, scary turn, OOP, what to do? 200NL
 

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I'd bet 85 and fold to raise.

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if you bet 85 here and fold getting ~6:1 on your last 57$ i think you are making a major mistake.

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QFT

Re: 3-bet pot, scary turn, OOP, what to do? 200NL
 

crai crai!!

push turn if he checks

Re: 3-bet pot, scary turn, OOP, what to do? 200NL
 

i would bet $50 and call if he pushes. if he just calls, i'd c/c a non scary river

Re: 3-bet pot, scary turn, OOP, what to do? 200NL
 

GRUNCH:

I check-fold. i don't think there's much value in betting (only worse hands that call are AK and KK, and you're only really getting 2 streets of value against them.

I don't think villain bets many worse hands on the turn when you check either.

Re: 3-bet pot, scary turn, OOP, what to do? 200NL
 

check fold? wow you must be losing lots of pots to floaters. U afraid of a little bit of variance?

I bet here just like i would KK,AK,QK,QJ,JT,AQ,AT,AJ,QQQ

merge up your range here and keep betting [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] nothing pisses a table off more then someone who bets a crap load.

I dont like going for a CRAI, i do think someone will fold AK on a CRAI and AT KK is gonna peel one because betting has no value, if your checking the turn you probably have an under pair.

but if you check then lead out river strong i think your hand is very transparent. Although the opponent might play mind games and make a call thinking you are betting because you have no showdown value with a mid PP... Dunno if this is high enough stakes for that thought process though.

okay iam rambling big time.

BET it

and why is this a scary turn? unless your opponent is 27+ vpip and likes floating around in pots then hes not going to have a jack here.

if it were that type of player, id go for the CRAI because checking gives him the green light to fire.

but with no reads, go for value, which is to bet it

Re: 3-bet pot, scary turn, OOP, what to do? 200NL
 

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crai crai!!

push turn if he checks

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wtf why crai? He's usually checking AK or KQ or KK if we check it to him and he's usually not floating here. If we're felting,a nd we should, leading looks a lot better to me.