Does it make sense to continue playing?
 

I am playing for 13 months now. It's simple. I am highly intelligent but I can't ask myself what Villan could have.

Result:
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/5935/pt01pj7.png
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/3443/pt02tv4.png


I feel so stupid that I just can't even look how Villan played preflop. I am 4 tabling but feel that the people play very bad and that I should win... haha! I might think that.
Does it make sense to continue?

Re: Does it make sense to continue playing?
 

Depends if you had a good RB deal or bonusses. Maybee you could cover the losses. I am up 35 K last years and stopped poker. The good times are over. Cheating is more and more common in any way.

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Depends if you had a good RB deal or bonusses. Maybee you could cover the losses. I am up 35 K last years and stopped poker. The good times are over. Cheating is more and more common in any way.

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Re: Does it make sense to continue playing?
 

Sure I could. I never invested a cent in poker.

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Based on your posts in SSNL I would guess that your problem is that you have no idea where to actually look for leaks. Are you a cardrunners member? Have you considered coaching?

Re: Does it make sense to continue playing?
 

deposit on stars and 8 table the lowest games on there if u cant win there u just cant win

Re: Does it make sense to continue playing?
 

Stars at micro limits is a good idea. I don't know where have you been playing but you should also consider the possibility that you can't win on that site.

Can't put people on hands? That might be more difficult at nl holdem as there are less showdowns than at limit holdem. So, getting experience takes more time.

There are also other forms where one does not need that much feel. You could also try pot limit omaha as your stats look similar to mine as far as my little pot limit omaha playing shows, while I have never lost at holdem during the last eight years.

Re: Does it make sense to continue playing?
 

That red ink aint bad really man. I could loss that much in one hand; lets see one year minus 6gs you need a avg pot size input and an allin win% plus maybe cut out all the micro stuff to little motivation. But you gota good NL 100d tab play that 400 buck is one pot RIGHT? Also one instant money secret I can contrib is loose Omaha hi play the nuts only and secure a risk reward for yourself. But reads online?

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Based on your posts in SSNL I would guess that your problem is that you have no idea where to actually look for leaks. Are you a cardrunners member? Have you considered coaching?

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Well about a week ago I could swear that is is preflop and that they just luck me out postflop but now I clearly see that my problem are turn and river. I had a coach for a few hours. He did see nothing special. I guess because the big postflop screwups doesn't come with that high frequency.

-> Cardrunners yes.

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Stars at micro limits is a good idea. I don't know where have you been playing but you should also consider the possibility that you can't win on that site.


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The site does not matter. I am my real opponent. I played on party, prima, full tilt, stars...

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Also one instant money secret I can contrib is loose Omaha hi play the nuts only and secure a risk reward for yourself. But reads online?

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I have tried PLO and am up many stacks after a few thousand hands. But variance...
Regarding the reads: I mean more like I don't even realize when people check / raise me. "I has Aces" I am nicapable of laying down a hand after the turn when i am the aggressor at the moment. Yesterday I have done it a few times. That was clearly progress but then I screwed up to other hands. Like I said, I am my opponent not Villan.

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"I has Aces" I am nicapable of laying down a hand after the turn when i am the aggressor at the moment.

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If you are losing at micros then failing to lay down overpairs and TPTK is NOT your biggest problem. Looking at stats your WTSD is low and your W$SD is too HIGH, and WWSF is much too low. It's way more likely that you are folding too many hands, or missing value bets, or missing c-bets.

Remember, if your opponents are putting too much money in with weak hands then it's going to be much more important to win the most when you're ahead than to lose the least when you are behind. But you obviously look at poker as a game of not losing.

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If you are losing at micros then failing to lay down overpairs and TPTK is NOT your biggest problem. Looking at stats your WTSD is low and your W$SD is too HIGH, and WWSF is much too low. It's way more likely that you are folding too many hands, or missing value bets, or missing c-bets.

Remember, if your opponents are putting too much money in with weak hands then it's going to be much more important to win the most when you're ahead than to lose the least when you are behind. But you obviously look at poker as a game of not losing.

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I have started calling more on the river lately. Of course you can't see that in my stats because I have been doing that only for the last couple of thousand hands.

How high should WTSD, W$SD and WWSF be?
Is W$SD > 50% good?

So if I call more on the river my WSD will in crease, my W$SD decrease. Is that better?

Also when I semibluff more my W$SF should increase. Is that the right direction?

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Typically for a good player, wtsd is 22-28, w$sd is 48-53, w$wsf is 43-48.

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So if I call more on the river my WSD will in crease, my W$SD decrease. Is that better?

Also when I semibluff more my W$SF should increase. Is that the right direction?

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Those may be right. Also value-betting hard will decrease your wtsd and w$sd.

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Typically for a good player, wtsd is 22-28, w$sd is 48-53, w$wsf is 43-48.

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So if I call more on the river my WSD will in crease, my W$SD decrease. Is that better?

Also when I semibluff more my W$SF should increase. Is that the right direction?

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Those may be right. Also value-betting hard will decrease your wtsd and w$sd.

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I hope you don't take this personal but your comments frustrated my yesterday. Here I was making no mistake postflop and winning much but still pissed because someone still critisises me. But after a while I realized you were right. For Example. I call pocketpairs on set value and if I don't hit my set I always fold ignoring the fact that villan just makes a contibet and I often times might have the best hand. I never contest Villan. I just play my hands. I just realized that this lets Villan(s) take away much pots uncontested allthough I might have the best hand. Also I shut down often after my own contibet.

You comment on not losing totally throw me of. I never thought about it until last night but you are right.

Thanks for the input! [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

I will start small by trying to take away pots with pocketpairs. [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Last question: Valuebets: I valuebet 80% of the pot (prima). I think that is allright!?

Re: Does it make sense to continue playing?
 

Whatever the site, start at the lowest stakes possible.

Prove to yourself that you can beat that level over at least 10000 hands.

Only then should you consider moving up.

Why would anyone try to beat $1/$2 before they feel confident they're beating $0.01/$0.02 ?

Good Luck.

Re: Does it make sense to continue playing?
 

From the comments you made in the video a couple days ago, it seemed that you were more than willing to lay down strong hands if a player showed strength after you showed weakness (if i recall correctly you held top two pair on the flop, bet and got called in 2 places, then on the turn the bottom card paired and you check/called and said that you would've check/folded the river to a strong bet).

I don't think that trying to bluff more with missed setdraws (low pocket pairs [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] is the answer.
Micro-/Smallstakes can be beaten by playing tight ABC poker. That means sticking to getting value out of strong hands and playing mostly your own cards.

Once you get comfortable and begin to feel that you beat a limit, you can add more and more advanced plays to your game, i.e. increase your VPIP, play weaker holdings more aggressively, playing your opponent and start 2 and 3 barreling, ...

IMHO it's important to know that you can definitely beat a base limit before you start to add high variance plays. If those plays don't work out, you have a working game to return to and you can restart from there.

Re: Does it make sense to continue playing?
 

Are you multitabling? If so, try playing just one table. If you pay close attention to a single table you'll be able to get reads that will allow you succeed even if your technical game isn't so hot.

Good luck whatever you choose to do.

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I am playing for 13 months now. It's simple. I am highly intelligent but I can't ask myself what Villan could have.

Result:
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/5935/pt01pj7.png
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/3443/pt02tv4.png


I feel so stupid that I just can't even look how Villan played preflop. I am 4 tabling but feel that the people play very bad and that I should win... haha! I might think that.
Does it make sense to continue?

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youre playing weak tight abc poker and the people u playagaianst see this. They float u lots and take away pots with nothing when u check turn. They can easily get away when u keep betting since U MUST have a hand when u bet 2 streets. U dont open raise with good cards in LP(97 aceX etcetc) You play your CARD ONLY. You let good observing players outplay u.

Loosen up and double barrel much the floaters.
ALSO U DONT THREE BET MUCH.


Try PLAYING YOUR CO BUTTONS BLIND. It will help with your game. CBET MUCH AND ALSO IF THEY CALL FLOP DOESNT MEAN THEY HAVE [censored]. IF AN ACE OR A KING COMES OFF BET AGAIN. STOP PLAYING BASE ON YOU HOLDING.

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also, poker is not about winning every pot u play. Its about winning and losing small pots to set up for the big pots.

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STOP PLAYING BASE ON YOU HOLDING.

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I did!

ok thanks guys. I have cut down tables to two, sometimes three and it is a hole new feeling. Now I see then they are weak and I am much more aggressive postflop when I think they have a hand that can't sustain continued pressure. I haven't looked at my stats because I want to play for table dynamics and I think this does work pretty well. Results are obv. varience.

My vpip / pfr have increased a lot and I take much more pots uncontestet now. Not that I intended that I just thought it was good at that specific tables to push them a little bit and test them. Not that I have found the holy grale but I am pretty optimistic that I can play poker that way.

My whole thiniking has changed. I don't know why but when I loose a pot i now laugh when I see how much more value they could have get.

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Holy [censored] switch to 1 tabling for a long time

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Try single tabling for awhile, and force yourself to go through the hands and they are played on your table. If he is raising what could he have? Is it TPTK or a draw? on the turn did he improve? hit his draw? did the river miss his draw and his betting air? Is my A high good? etc. etc. You have got to get this down on ONE table before you multi table.

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Potential?

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/9...tentialau0.png
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/9...095394f7df.jpg

Really the first time I really feel superior and am winning. No tilt, more thin valuebets. Still no good blind defense but even with this my ptBB stats in the blinds look way better. Also this is basic play. No excessive vpip or blind steals since I wanted to work on my basic game. Potential?

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Potential?

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/9...tentialau0.png
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/9...095394f7df.jpg

Really the first time I really feel superior and am winning. No tilt, more thin valuebets. Still no good blind defense but even with this my ptBB stats in the blinds look way better. Also this is basic play. No excessive vpip or blind steals since I wanted to work on my basic game. Potential?

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Play more hands at these limits, that looks promising, but you need a bigger sample size.

Re: Does it make sense to continue playing?
 

looks like you put money in just to give it up to anyone who shows interest.

Also, where is your chart for .25/.50 and .10/.25 because that is where you need to be for now.