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So since we have several HSP fans in our crew, we started doing the 72 game, where if you win with 72, everyone kicks you a BB.

It's been brought up that if you win the pot with the best hand at a showdown, you shouldn't get the bonus, as it was a legitimate hand. They feel you only get it if it's a bluff. Tho' what if you get someone to fold 63 on the turn or something? Anyone do this, have any ideas on what should be a payout? Maybe the rule should be if there's no showdown, so on the river if you have the best hand, you just bet the same or more as you would receive on the table...

Most people dig on it, tho'. I certainly lost a bit chasing those few bucks, I tell you what...

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So since we have several HSP fans in our crew, we started doing the 72 game, where if you win with 72, everyone kicks you a BB.

It's been brought up that if you win the pot with the best hand at a showdown, you shouldn't get the bonus, as it was a legitimate hand.

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Bullhockey- the bonus for The Hammer is the bonus, regardless of how you won the hand with it.

Besides, The Hammer is too strong a hand to give a bonus to. Maybe the Baby Hammer (32)... or a really tough hand to actually win with, like the Evil Eights.

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Especially if you play the Velvet Hammer. (72 sooooted)

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Especially if you play the Velvet Hammer. (72 sooooted)

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I never understood the geneology of the "velvet" part- do you know?

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gotta agree with Larry. You play 7,2 and win you get the bonus. Period. I don't care if you flopped quads. The goal is to get players to play crap hands and encorage action, is it not.

I also think if two or more players have 7,2 and both get to showdown and they split everyone still pays and they split that too. I'd love to see two guys with 7,2 trying to bluff each other out. That would be one sick final river call.

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Yup, play and win = bonus, doesnt mather how. You might hit quads or whatever, you did a -ev move preflop in order to try to get the bonus so you deserve it

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Especially if you play the Velvet Hammer. (72 sooooted)

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I never understood the geneology of the "velvet" part- do you know?

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not to be picky but "etymology" is the word used for origin of words, simply FYI

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Especially if you play the Velvet Hammer. (72 sooooted)

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I never understood the geneology of the "velvet" part- do you know?

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not to be picky but "etymology" is the word used for origin of words, simply FYI

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Excellent contribution.

Anyways, I agree with the others, pay up no matter how its won, otherwise it gets way to complicated "I bluffed, no 7 high was the best hand, but i didn't know it was, blah blah blah"

7 2 wins pass that BB over.

By the way, if I were you, I don't think I'd actually play, seems like a good way of losing some money trying to get a few BB's. Let the others play and capitalize off their greed.

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if your 72 wins you get paid, no matter what

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Great, thanks all for feedback on this. Tho' we generally don't force anyone who just lost a big pot to pay, but glad to know consensus is on winning, period.

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Great, thanks all for feedback on this. Tho' we generally don't force anyone who just lost a big pot to pay, but glad to know consensus is on winning, period.

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say what? you dont make the guy who lost a big pot pay? it's ONE big blind, that is ridiculous.

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Great, thanks all for feedback on this. Tho' we generally don't force anyone who just lost a big pot to pay, but glad to know consensus is on winning, period.

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are you serious? do you guys all give back the money at the end of the night too? jesus, it's a rule. if a guy shows down 72 he wins a bb from everyone. doesn't matter if you just lost a pot or went bust or whatever. you owe!

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Great, thanks all for feedback on this. Tho' we generally don't force anyone who just lost a big pot to pay, but glad to know consensus is on winning, period.

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are you serious? do you guys all give back the money at the end of the night too? jesus, it's a rule. if a guy shows down 72 he wins a bb from everyone. doesn't matter if you just lost a pot or went bust or whatever. you owe!

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Matusow was bitching about paying the bonus too, after he got bluffed out with his K's - But at the end he paid after all.

If everybody agreed the 7-2 rule, it doesn't matter if you are the one getting bluffed out, you have to pay after all!

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I play in a game were the 7-2-Bounty is 5BBs which guarantess lots of action.

I recommand to raise the Bounty to at least 3BBs, especially for deep NL200 and lower games.

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Yup, play and win = bonus, doesnt mather how. You might hit quads or whatever, you did a -ev move preflop in order to try to get the bonus so you deserve it

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QFT.

I like this game btw. Brings so much action to the game. I'll give an example:

We're playing 5 handed. I open with 8Ts in MP and get one caller on the button. Flop is like 8 7 3 I bet half pot and villian 3 bets. I had to tank for a while with top pair and a mediocre kicker. While this is an insta-fold most of the time.

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As other people have said, you win with it, you win with it. If it only counts when its a bluff you might as well eliminate the 7-2 part of it altogether and just pay off any time somebody wins a hand with a bluff.

1.5 BB's I think is a good number. Its small enough (one BB and on SB) that it shouldn't bother anybody to pay, but if you're playing nine handed, it gives you 12 BB's to play for with your 7-2 thus giving a pretty good incentive to play the hammer. Somebody mentioned 5 BB's, which would make for a really wild game, with a 40 BB payoff, plus the pot, people would push the hell out of their 7-2 hands, but after the fourth or fith time you pay out 5 BB's to a 7-2 hand I think you're going to start getting annoyed at the hit to your stack. So, 1.5, or 2 BB's max, I think are the ideal numbers.

--Zetack

Edit: you'll need to decide what to do in a side pot situation, where the 7-2 takes the side pot and loses the main pot to the all-in player.

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have only read the OP but here is some thoughts of mine:

to make it clear the rules should just be: winning the pot with 72o or 72s and get something from everyone no matter how the pot is won, including getting a walk in the bb.

if its NL one big blind from everyone sounds to small. I think something along the lines with ~2-5bb is the wtg.

I dont think the 7-2 game should be somthing that is going on all the time in a game, just from time to time because it makes the game somewhat different.

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We play 72 in our 10 / 20 limit home game. A couple of weeks ago Im playing a hand with 4 callers and look down in the bb at 72 offsuit. I check and the flop comes 772 rainbow. I check it gets bet and 3 callers. I raise.
All call. The turn is an ace. I bet all call. The river is a Ten. I bet 2 players call and co raises. I think about it and 3-bet. The other two players fold and the CO 4-bets. WTF I call. The CO shows 7 Ten. Then I had to listen everyone say how glad they were that I didnt win so they wouldnt have to pay me.

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Eh, I'm in a game where not everybody is sold on the idea. Making it one BB and exempting the big loser of the hand is palatable to everybody. We're not all of us crazy sharks, some of us are casual fish, and we want those people to stick around.

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We did it last night in a .05/.10 game. We paid .25 from everyone. Everyone was cool with the idea and it was kinda interesting. The thought generated a couple bigger hands due to people thinking others were raising light. It was only happened one time during 2.5 hours.

We decided that it would be paid for anyone that wins a hand or bluffs a hand with 72.

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Am I the only one that thought this thread was going to be about KC lowball?

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no

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Eh, I'm in a game where not everybody is sold on the idea. Making it one BB and exempting the big loser of the hand is palatable to everybody. We're not all of us crazy sharks, some of us are casual fish, and we want those people to stick around.

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what stakes are you playing? let's assume $1 and $2 blinds. so if a guy loses a big pot he's losing an extra $2 to the 72o.

i just don't get this logic.. somehow you have to be a "crazy shark" to want to enforce the rules? it's TWO DOLLARS. if you're gonna bend the rules to avoid a two dollar payment, why are you playing poker? you guys aren't CRAZY SHARKS after all... why not just give everyone their money back at the end of the night? why even play for real money when there are goldfish and gumdrops to be wagered?

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Eh, I'm in a game where not everybody is sold on the idea. Making it one BB and exempting the big loser of the hand is palatable to everybody. We're not all of us crazy sharks, some of us are casual fish, and we want those people to stick around.

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what stakes are you playing? let's assume $1 and $2 blinds. so if a guy loses a big pot he's losing an extra $2 to the 72o.

i just don't get this logic.. somehow you have to be a "crazy shark" to want to enforce the rules? it's TWO DOLLARS. if you're gonna bend the rules to avoid a two dollar payment, why are you playing poker? you guys aren't CRAZY SHARKS after all... why not just give everyone their money back at the end of the night? why even play for real money when there are goldfish and gumdrops to be wagered?

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They changed the rule- is it required to be a rule nit in home games? Or should "the greater good of the game" be paramount?

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I'm sorry that the way we play our game causes histronics. You may want to get that looked at. Get a little gray back into your binary world.

Anyway, had another game last night. Some folks wanted it to be 5x BB (which I'm fine with), others didn't want it at all. So one BB was agreed upon and everybody was happy and we had a few successes (me twice!) and we all had fun.

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I'm sorry

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Standard poker lie- you are not

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Think it of it more as a passive-aggressive bluff.

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I'm sorry that the way we play our game causes histronics. You may want to get that looked at. Get a little gray back into your binary world.

Anyway, had another game last night. Some folks wanted it to be 5x BB (which I'm fine with), others didn't want it at all. So one BB was agreed upon and everybody was happy and we had a few successes (me twice!) and we all had fun.

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Hey pfap, Why don't you make "7-2 game" buttons. Anyone who takes a button is owed the 5x BB from everyone else who has a button when they win. The ones who don't take a button don't have to pay it, but won't win it either. It might encourage the nay's to take a button once they see it in practice.

Here's a variation worth trying to make sure the winner gets the same amount no matter how many players are in: Make the 7-2 winner get paid say 15x BB in total, divided by all who have the button. So there's 4 players with buttons, one wins with 72, the other three players pay 5x BB each. When say two more players take buttons (6 total) the winner gets 3x BB from each to total 15x BB.