Valuebet checkup
 

Party Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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CO: $244.40
BTN: $238.45
SB: $261.10
BB: $192.90
Hero (UTG): $200

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $8</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $28</font>, BB folds, Hero calls $20

Flop: ($58) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $41</font>, Hero calls $41

Turn: ($140) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($140) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $66</font>, SB folds

I'm normally such a huge vag in value betting in spots like this so thought I'd get a little check-up on them. Villain is a straightforwards seeming TAG - do you like my river vb size and what is the worst hand you vb here?

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Looks good, I might just shove though. TT is thin, 99 is a check.

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Not a fan of a shove, this is fine, sometimes you'll cut yourself though, so be it. Its definately +EV

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Yes, I like the bet and I'd probably do it with TT as well.

Villian has AK like 90% of the time here...

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I don't like a shove, this looks good IMO. Anywhere in that ballpark # seems fine.

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This is definitely at the bottom of my range for vbetting (mostly because I'm not calling with TT when it is 3bet as a default.)

looks good.

Also as far vbetting size I'd probably make it more like 71. cts talked about making your valuebet's low #s (70/71/72) and your bluffs higher numbers (66/67/68/69). that's just nitpicking though

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Bet 20, call a shove [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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This is definitely at the bottom of my range for vbetting (mostly because I'm not calling with TT when it is 3bet as a default.)

looks good.

Also as far vbetting size I'd probably make it more like 71. cts talked about making your valuebet's low #s (70/71/72) and your bluffs higher numbers (66/67/68/69). that's just nitpicking though

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Interesting, never read that before, makes sense though.

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Bet 20, call a shove [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Bet 20, call a shove [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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i've been really trying to find spots to do things like this lately but whenever i'm in the hand I just don't think of it.

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Bet 20, call a shove [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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might make a smaller river bet (~40?) ... I don't think he's calling $66 here with something you can beat.

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if i was gonna bet i would probably bet alot bigger. the only way a decent TAG is gonna pay you off is if he makes a hero call against a perceived attempt to buy the pot.

i would probably bet $100 ish. he is gonna fold mostly but may call with TT or maybe 99.

JJ is pretty much the worst hand i will value bet here, as if you bet with TT you may get looked up by JJ

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Shove because it looks like a bluff?

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I like it.

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but if he's thinking, he should probably realize that your bet looks vb-ish given the amount.

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Who cares if it looks like a bluff, the only hand that can call that bet is a strong one, shoving is total newb IMO.
I don't think anyone is making a hero call to a shove, tinybet/callshove is way better then shoving.

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i don't even like the bet. anything worse is an ez fold for him if he considers what you're calling the flop and then betting the river with, and he could play a queen like this.

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i don't even like the bet. anything worse is an ez fold for him if he considers what you're calling the flop and then betting the river with, and he could play a queen like this.

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Scratch that, thought Hero raised.

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I like to make it a little bigger. It seems to me that the smaller ones dont get called as often. Might just be my imagination or something. Maybe opponents just think that looks like a 'call me bet' and then fold. I dunno...

I like $85 or $90 better.

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ne1 check behind?&gt;

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I don't like bet $20 call shove because what you're doing seems so transparent in position. Now if you were OOP it's a different story.

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but if he's thinking, he should probably realize that your bet looks vb-ish given the amount.

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Vs most of the TAGfish players at Party I think this is better than a bigger amount because it gives them ebtter odds for them to say 'I has TT I cawl!'

Out of curiosity is a check bad or is this always a bet?

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Check vs total vaginas that won't valuebet AQ/KK(they exist).

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bleh, maybe with your image. depends on villain/history/game flow etc.

i like 20/call shove though

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I'd rather bet the turn an check river.

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Seems like KQ/QJ are a big enough part of his range that this sucks? It's not like you represent a bluff here either.

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Straightforward TAG 3-betting an UTG raise with KQ/QJ. Not often, not a big part of his range here at all if you ask me.