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They call me fish

Villain is very loose, but kinda dumb. Do you like my line?

Party Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: $42.51
BTN: $92
SB: $35.47
BB: $67.32
Hero (UTG): $60.42

Pre-Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to $3.50, CO calls $3.50, BTN folds, SB calls $3, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($14) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players)
SB checks, BB bets $5, Hero raises to $10, 2 folds, BB calls $5

Turn: ($34) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($34) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB bets $53.82 and is All-In, Hero calls $46.92 and is All-In

Re: They call me fish

I'd fold and wait until a better spot. You got to be right so often in this situation for it to be profitable.

Re: They call me fish

Wow, what a strange line. Flop min C/R <<yuck>> followed by a turn check behind <<yuck>>. If I were Villian I would be very!! confused. I can't call the river though.

Does he call a flop min c/r with 88/77/66 or overs.

I think that you see a set here enough. A9 is also reasonable.

River is a fold for me.

SMS

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raise to 18-20 on the flop. Why did you check the turn? You should have showed more strenght. I think the only hands you can beat right there is J9 and Q9

Re: They call me fish

You need to raise more on the flop to get him off crap like A5 ...

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I don't like the min-raise. I'd raise to $15 at the very least. If he called I'd probably bet that turn (thus I go the whole way) and if he raised the flop I'd lay K9 down. As played I'd never call that river bet as the only hand that you beat is a pure bluff (likely missed low straight) or villain turning a hand with SD value into a bluff which, in fairness, they do a lot....but not often enough here IMHO.

Re: They call me fish

Umm check again. You don't beat J9. Just Q9.

Fold and fold fast.

SMS

Re: They call me fish

Whoa, aggressive call. I hope it worked. Why do you check the turn though?

Re: They call me fish

For you to make this call I'm sure villain must have overbet ai on the river a couple times already. Did he show down any of those times?

Re: They call me fish

"They" know what they're talking about! [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

I would start with folding preflop with a table full of half stacks...

Re: They call me fish

If shoving the river is standard for this villain than I think this is fine. Your read is that you are ahead of his range on the flop and turn so calling the likely bluff on the river is a no-brainer. Seems like a typical way to trap over aggro bad players. The flop min-raise is interesting, but I am guessing you were trying to induce a shove from it. What am I missing?

Re: They call me fish

I guess you had a reason for your pf raise. The flop raise is weird too, but might get you a cheap river card and maybe even a free SD. I don't call that raise though.

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aggressive call

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LOL [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] Aggressive calling. Love it [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Re: They call me fish

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You need to raise more on the flop to get him off crap like A5 ...

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stop posting and read more. it will help you a lot. flop min raise is w/e but I def bet the turn. why did you check?

Re: They call me fish

why don't you have a full buy-in?

Re: They call me fish

Tufat,
put him on an hand you beat.

SMS

Re: They call me fish

I'd probably call but preflop is wank given the stack size

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The flop min-raise is interesting, but I am guessing you were trying to induce a shove from it. What am I missing?

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Wow, I doubt that's the case at all, unless the read was loose/dumb/crazy mf. I doubt he's shoving enough on the flop to make a inducing one profitable.

Flop min raise seems more intended to isolate loose/dumb with our marginal top pair, keep pot on the small side, force everyone else left to act to define their hand. I find it intriguing.

I think the turn is the other interesting part of the hand. Against loose/dumb, I probably bet more than I check.

pf: meh, whatever

river: meh, sure. whatever.

Re: They call me fish

fold river, not really close. unless he really agro, you're read was kinda vague but this overbet is a big hand soo often given your line.

Re: They call me fish

except for preflop this is great

river call is stand vs shortstack donk. he shoves 34 and A2 there.

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You know, I think this is pretty good actually. The only hand you are really worried about (except for lightning striking) is A9. Other hands are bluffs, and even those that are bluffs with made hands are beat by you.

Ok, maybe J9 too.

Re: They call me fish

Depends on the table. If everybody is a nit it's good for stealing the blinds. (ATC will do, but you can't steal every time) If someone will felt any pair postflop, its good for value. If you get called in 3 spots behind you, yeah its pretty blah. Presumably Isura didn't expect that to happen.

Re: They call me fish

you let him hit trips
fold

Re: They call me fish

I think everything about this hand is awesome.

Re: They call me fish

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Villain is very loose, but kinda dumb. Do you like my line?

Party Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: $42.51
BTN: $92
SB: $35.47
BB: $67.32
Hero (UTG): $60.42

Pre-Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to $3.50, CO calls $3.50, BTN folds, SB calls $3, BB calls $2.50

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I like playing hands like this, tbh. However, seeing has how the stacks are a bit short at the table, I don't like playing K9s here.

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Flop: ($14) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players)
SB checks, BB bets $5, Hero raises to $10, 2 folds, BB calls $5

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heh. Usually minraises are ill-advised. But I believe it serves many purposes here:
1. It puts a lot of pressure on CO and SB since they may face a 3-bet from BB,
2. but it's small enough that you can fold to a 3-bet if he makes one,
3. his reaction to the minraise (arguably) reveals information about his hand and narrows his possible holdings,
4. and leaves you as the last aggressor in the hand, which leads to...

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Turn: ($34) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks

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...the turn. He'll almost always check to you since you were the last aggressor. You now have what was top pair, and you've picked up a flush draw.

I really like this check. I feel that any meaningful bet here is going to result in a CRAI from most better hands, forcing you to pay full price for your flush draw, or fold most (if not all) hands that you are beating. IMO the raise flop/check turn IP line induces river bluffs very well.

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River: ($34) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB bets $53.82 and is All-In, Hero calls $46.92 and is All-In

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Ugly. He overbets the pot rather than betting something like $20 or $25 or $30. From my experience, when I induce a bluff, it's almost never an all-in. If he were bluffing, he could have done it cheaper. I think this is J9 or maybe trip 5s quite a bit. Obviously could be a set also. But I don't see this as a bluff very often, or as a valuebet with a modest hand either. Then again, villain is kinda dumb. Unless you have a significant read, I'd fold here.