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Woolygimp 10-04-2007 04:57 AM

BBJ Ruling
 
The local casino down here has a rule that cell phones void the BBJ, therefor they aren't necessarily allowed at the table. It's not really enforced, and most people get away with it as long as they aren't blatant. I've never seen a hand ruled dead from this rule, although usually if someone is on their cell phone the dealer will usually politely ask if they would like to be dealt out.

I receive a phone call from a family member about a family emergency, and then get dealt in a hand. I tell the person on the other line that I'll call back after this hand, and I can't talk at the moment and quickly put my phone away. She waits for me to throw in my $5 limp, and then immediately says, "your hand is dead."

Rottersod 10-04-2007 02:19 PM

Re: BBJ Ruling
 
Take your money out and tell the dealer to FOAD.

budblown 10-04-2007 02:25 PM

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Dealer is an angle shooting POS

rchandra 10-04-2007 02:37 PM

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I receive a phone call from a family member about a family emergency, and then get dealt in a hand. I tell the person on the other line that I'll call back after this hand, and I can't talk at the moment and quickly put my phone away.

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OK, that's just terrible unless you have a different definition of "emergency" than I do.

Mandor_TFL 10-04-2007 02:39 PM

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Isn't the getting called about a family emergency but you keep on gambling anyway one of those signs that you need help. No offense, but if I got called about a family emergency I don't hang up so I can keep playing a hand preflop.


On to the other point, the dealer is being a rules nit, and should be kicked in the nutz.

grouchie 10-04-2007 02:41 PM

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guys... family emergencies can wait, this guy is getting screwed out of 5 bucks.

Lets not get off track here.

SNOWBALL 10-04-2007 02:43 PM

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who is this rule supposed to protect? Is there a way to hustle the BBJ by talking on the phone? If so, every single BBJ that hits in L.A. must be rigged, because we don't have that retarded ass rule here.
We do however have a rule that "only hundreds play" for bills and SUPPOSEDLY that can void the jackpot. (possibly specific to hollywood park)
WTF?

Aces McGee 10-04-2007 04:12 PM

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who is this rule supposed to protect? Is there a way to hustle the BBJ by talking on the phone? If so, every single BBJ that hits in L.A. must be rigged, because we don't have that retarded ass rule here.
We do however have a rule that "only hundreds play" for bills and SUPPOSEDLY that can void the jackpot. (possibly specific to hollywood park)
WTF?

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My guess is that casinos with jackpots say stuff like this so that they can get people to follow the rules without arguing.

-McGee

GreedIsGood 10-04-2007 05:31 PM

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One has to wonder why you answered the phone in the first place. If a family emergancy isn't important enough to interupt a hand, what is?

That said, was this your big blind? If not, you should get your $5 back as the "your hand is dead" rulling should be (if it's going to be made at all) made prior to your throwing in the $5 as you were off the phone before you did that.

Woolygimp 10-04-2007 05:37 PM

Re: BBJ Ruling
 
It wasn't an emergency, but my mom left my front door open and my sister spotted it as she was driving by. I was trying to find out if someone could run and shut the door, before I had all my stuff stolen or otherwise I'd have to drive home and do it.

As for these rulings, the poker room says that mp3's, cash bills, and cell phones all void the BBJ because it's a law from the Louisiana State Police.

They are so full of [censored], but it's their room so whatever.

Overseer55 10-04-2007 05:45 PM

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It wasn't an emergency, but my mom left my front door open and my sister spotted it as she was driving by. I was trying to find out if someone could run and shut the door, before I had all my stuff stolen or otherwise I'd have to drive home and do it.

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I feel I need to ask the obvious question here...why the heck couldn't your sister have done it?

Mr Rick 10-04-2007 05:46 PM

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The Louisiana State Police don't make the laws. They enforce the laws.

Thats what I kept repeating for 10 to 15 years.

redfisher 10-04-2007 06:36 PM

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Where did this happen and who did this? Unless that's what TT edited out.

*TT* 10-05-2007 12:48 AM

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Where did this happen and who did this? Unless that's what TT edited out.

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I did not edit that out.

Michael Davis 10-05-2007 02:10 AM

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I read the original post. Just don't tip the dealers. And calm down.

-Michael

whodaman 10-05-2007 02:51 AM

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the fact that you open limped probably means that you should have just folded so ask for your money back and consider what the dealer did a favor

Al_Capone_Junior 10-05-2007 04:51 AM

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The reason for your phone call is quite irrelevant. Don't answer during a hand, or when you are about to be dealt in. Call them back, they can wait a minute or two.

I don't understand why you even call this a "ruling." Seems to me (if it happened exactly as you say) the dealer was being rather obtuse, but a ruling can only be issued by a floorperson. Your move was to let the floor decide your fate. Obviously your hand was either live or dead before you put in the $5. If you didn't ask for the floor, then it's your fault twice now.

Rick Nebiolo 10-05-2007 06:24 AM

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Gee, from the thread title I thought this might be about something else. Anyway, here's a quick/sick cell phone story:

A few months back I'm waiting for the next $100 + $10 Sit and Go to start after getting knocked out of the previous one near the bubble. It's a friendly crowd/place so I'm sitting at the table watching the final three players while finishing my 99 cent hot dog/coffee/whatever.

The standard payout is $575 for first and $325 for second. Three players are left. First Guy has a tiny stack (about 3% of the tournament chips). Cell Phone Guy has about 47% of the chips and the Last Guy has about 50% of the chips.

First Guy with the tiny stack folds on the button and Cell Phone Guy pushes allin from the SB. Last Guy in the BB calls and both hands are turned face up (standard practice in a tournament). Just as the flop comes down Cell Phone Guy's cell phone rings. He answers innocently. The dealer starts to scoop up his cards almost as innocently.

Now normally I keep my mouth shut when not officially in the game but this is a bit much so I exclaim "Hey, hold everything - I think we need a floor ruling here!" So the floor comes over.

Floor sees that Cell Phone Guy has the stone cold nuts. Floor also sees a cell phone still open next to Cell Phone Guy's ear. Floor rules Cell Phone Guy's hand dead. I try to explain that the money was in before the phone rang and this can't possibly be the intent of the "no cell phone" rule. My argument is apparently unpersuasive. So Cell Phone Guy is out on the bubble instead of sitting with 95% of the tournament chips.

Amazingly Cell Phone Guy seams only mildly upset. But he leaves the club probably never to return.

Even though hardly anyone calls me I make a note to turn off my cell before playing any tournament in this or any other card club. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

~ Rick

psandman 10-05-2007 07:31 AM

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The reason for your phone call is quite irrelevant.

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Actually you are wrong. The reason for the phone call tells us something. He deserved this. After all what kind of person gets a phone call about a family emergency and says wait I'll call you back after I play poker (especially since this was a new hand starting its not even like he was already invested in the hand).

Aces McGee 10-05-2007 09:11 AM

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It wasn't an emergency, but my mom left my front door open and my sister spotted it as she was driving by. I was trying to find out if someone could run and shut the door, before I had all my stuff stolen or otherwise I'd have to drive home and do it.

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I feel I need to ask the obvious question here...why the heck couldn't your sister have done it?

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We definitely need an answer to this.

-McGee

Bulldog 10-05-2007 09:59 AM

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It wasn't an emergency, but my mom left my front door open and my sister spotted it as she was driving by. I was trying to find out if someone could run and shut the door, before I had all my stuff stolen or otherwise I'd have to drive home and do it.

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I feel I need to ask the obvious question here...why the heck couldn't your sister have done it?

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We definitely need an answer to this.

-McGee

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His sister was on the city bus, because she is broke after her brother lost all her money stealing her identity to pay for his gambling addiction.


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