400NL meh
 

Villain here is Vamito, a 13/10ish reg. Hes ok, nothing great and doesnt seem to get outta line too much. Im running 16/13ish and have been pretty aggro.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 8 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $78.15
BB: $100.00
UTG: $236.00
UTG+1: $402.00
Hero (MP1): $404.00
MP2: $400.00
CO: $302.45
BTN: $400.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (8 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $16.00</font>, MP2 calls $16.00, 4 folds

Flop: ($38) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $28.00</font>, MP2 calls $28.00

Turn: ($94) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks

River: ($94) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">MP2 bets $60.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $196.00</font>

Re: meh
 

what are you trying to represent here?

Re: meh
 

Yea doesn't make much sense..

You raise preflop, could put you on a lot and 22-88 are all parts of this range. You bet the flop and it could still be the same. You check the turn but could be looking for a c-r so your range also can still stay the same. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be any hands that you c-r on the river after he checks through on the turn because you lose so much value if you actually have a set here that you would bet out most of the time.


P.S. I am going by the regular 1/2 player, and cannot go on you exactly, but generally this is how I would view someone here when I was going through your range.

Obv. this could be changed according to how you play if I played with you.

Edit: Forgot to add: It looks like this guy is making a play as well. I would assume just KQ or something like that and he didn't have any showdown value so he bet it. Personally if you this he is full of [censored] I would call here, but raising generally gets out no better hands because it looks so fishy.

Re: meh
 

i run into villain's line all the time it seems, and i'm never really sure what to do. i really can't figure much out on this board. i'd be interested in the results.

Re: meh
 

i'd rather just bet 2 or 3 streets or c/f the flop.

I don't like this.

Re: meh
 

meh, pretty obv that you're repping an overpair, no? If I checked the turn with an overpair I'd go for the river c/r most of the time instead of leading the river. However, I do think 3 barreling works better, but don't think this either really good or really bad.

Re: meh
 

So, considering that you can't win at showdown and you get called 90% of the time here, what are we trying to do? Stick win-every-pot-syndrome in the muck and simply fold the river.

Re: meh
 

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So, considering that you can't win at showdown and you get called 90% of the time here, what are we trying to do? Stick win-every-pot-syndrome in the muck and simply fold the river.

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you call here with 89? 66? 99? no way he gets called here anything near 90% of the time. I'd bet its more like 50-65%.

Re: meh
 

Why would an overpair play like this? I see nothing that screams overpair to me.

Re: meh
 

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Why would an overpair play like this? I see nothing that screams overpair to me.

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do you never check the turn here with an overpair vs. someone on the TAG/nit line. I definitely do, sometimes with the intention of a c/c and other times with the intention of a crai. I think you're missing some value if you always lead the river with an overpair if you check this turn. c/r on the river is definitely my plan if I checked the turn with KK or AA.

Re: meh
 

this bluff attempt seems really ugly

Re: meh
 

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this bluff attempt seems really ugly

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so all of you are calling the numerous midpair hands that you bet on the river against this c/r?

Re: meh
 

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this bluff attempt seems really ugly

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so all of you are calling the numerous midpair hands that you bet on the river against this c/r?

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According to the opponent, yes. It is read specific and opponent specific but I know that my bet looks like a weak value bet and might be c-r before I make the bet against a good player, so if I made the bet unless it was KJ and trying to buy it, any bet I made as a valuebet would also be a call of a raise.

Re: meh
 

i almost always c/c this river vs. this type of opponent.

Re: meh
 

Is it for value ?

Re: meh
 

prodigy and too eazy, if you ever c/c this river vs. me and somehow miraculously are right then expect like 10 more buyins to come your way immediately afterwards because that would tilt the [censored] out of me. c/c is just so [censored] sick here (in a burning money type way like 95% of the time), plus raising has all the benefits except for the fact that you don't get to embarrass them by turning your hand over for the pot.

sccl, pretty tough to value raise A high on the river vs. a 16/13. Actually, I'm pretty sure that GM only ahead like 5% here and the hands he beats are things like J high so its pretty tough to make this raise for value.

Re: meh
 

CDL; I was speaking from villains perspective.

Re: meh
 

this is a really interesting hand, it looks so normal but it isnt. ive played a lot with vamito and have him running same as you. fairly solid tag, and can make a play every now and then. he most likely as nothing. as played, it would seem to him as you have nothing. but it puts him in a tough spot, can he really call your nothing with his nothing after the fairly sizable raise on the river.

Re: meh
 

Nevermind, I thought hero had TT.

Re: meh
 

seems ok to me. If hes a reg and this is a really really weird line for you then he might notice and give you credit, although I think I have seen you play AA like this... If he calls you down you can take a note and use this type of line on him a couple times with monsters in the future.

Re: meh
 

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this bluff attempt seems really ugly

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so all of you are calling the numerous midpair hands that you bet on the river against this c/r?

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why else would you bet the river here???

Re: meh
 

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this bluff attempt seems really ugly

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so all of you are calling the numerous midpair hands that you bet on the river against this c/r?

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why else would you bet the river here???

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b/c i'm a level behind you?