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Turlock 10-03-2007 06:41 AM

$1 MTT Flopped a boat,tried to milk it and got stung.
 
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed)
UTG+1 (t2840)
MP1 (t2505)
Hero (t3440)
MP3 (t2185)
CO (t4450)
Button (t1250)
SB (t5620)
BB (t2705)
UTG (t2265)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t100</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls t100, MP3 calls t100, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls t75, BB calls t50.

Flop: (t500) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t200</font>, MP3 folds, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t700</font>, BB folds, UTG folds, Hero calls t500.

Turn: (t1900) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: (t1900) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t1450</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t2640</font>, SB calls t1190.

Final Pot: t7180

How should I have played this?

runout_mick 10-03-2007 06:48 AM

Re: $1 MTT Flopped a boat,tried to milk it and got stung.
 
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Flop: (t500) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t200</font>, MP3 folds, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t700</font>, BB folds, UTG folds, Hero calls t500.

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I just push the flop instead of calling. With his checkraise he's basically flipped his 9 face up.

He's not folding. Get it in.

registrar 10-03-2007 06:50 AM

Re: $1 MTT Flopped a boat,tried to milk it and got stung.
 
Why did you underbet the flop. Do you think it makes any difference to the calling ranges? Do you not think that with the hands that may give up on the turn (such as other pocket pairs) betting small is more worrying than betting big.

Bet more on the flop. Shove when you get reraised. You don't want to a 9 to get scared by a flush turn.

Turlock 10-03-2007 06:59 AM

Re: $1 MTT Flopped a boat,tried to milk it and got stung.
 
What % of the pot is standard for a flop bet in this situation then? Bet sizing is something I'm trying to work on currently,as it's a weak point in my game.

runout_mick 10-03-2007 07:36 AM

Re: $1 MTT Flopped a boat,tried to milk it and got stung.
 
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What % of the pot is standard for a flop bet in this situation then? Bet sizing is something I'm trying to work on currently,as it's a weak point in my game.

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I'd recommend never betting less than 2/3 pot until you have a firm grasp of when to deviate from this.

registrar 10-03-2007 08:08 AM

Re: $1 MTT Flopped a boat,tried to milk it and got stung.
 
Yeah. I'd bet 300 here because on Stars software that is a convenient amount which is &gt; 1/2 pot.

In general, without other considerations (such as how to get a stack in over three streets, or how not to commit yourself on the next street), I like to bet 2/3 on flops and 1/2 on turns (as I say, all other things being equal).

tarheeljks 10-03-2007 08:11 AM

Re: $1 MTT Flopped a boat,tried to milk it and got stung.
 
just bet the turn, you are getting stacked every time if he's got a bigger fh.

Acein8ter 10-03-2007 09:19 AM

Re: $1 MTT Flopped a boat,tried to milk it and got stung.
 
It's hard to lay down a flopped FH, and the SB isn't going to lay down trip 9's. I'd guess that he limped in w/98s and filled up on the turn... (Or limped 96)

When 5 players see a flop, anything could happen...

JoeyJoJo Shabadu 10-03-2007 12:01 PM

Re: $1 MTT Flopped a boat,tried to milk it and got stung.
 
so you get all your money in with a boat.. get called and you feel bad? Whatever dude.

Turlock 10-03-2007 12:16 PM

Re: $1 MTT Flopped a boat,tried to milk it and got stung.
 
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so you get all your money in with a boat.. get called and you feel bad? Whatever dude.

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You've missed the point completely!

ssnyc 10-03-2007 03:59 PM

Re: $1 MTT Flopped a boat,tried to milk it and got stung.
 
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so you get all your money in with a boat.. get called and you feel bad? Whatever dude.

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You've missed the point completely!

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I must have missed the point too...this looks incredibly ABC...yes you can just get it on flop but you can never...ever...never fold so what is the point? Turlock...please respond...sad as it is I'm curious at this point

Turlock 10-03-2007 04:55 PM

Re: $1 MTT Flopped a boat,tried to milk it and got stung.
 
My point was am I supposed to try and get a 9 to fold if at all possible,or am I actually wanting to risk being outdrawn,by dragging the hand on.It might look ABC to you,but you've obviously failed to note that it's a $1 MTT where people like me play, who don't really have much of a clue of the finer points of the game,and in my case much of a clue about any of it really.

WJL 10-03-2007 05:03 PM

Re: $1 MTT Flopped a boat,tried to milk it and got stung.
 
Whenever you have the 'little' full, there is a chance that your opponent has the 'big' full. That doesn't mean you aren't going to felt this literally 100% of the time.

Everybody gets a cooler. Welcome to the wonderful world of poker.

mflip 10-03-2007 06:51 PM

Re: $1 MTT Flopped a boat,tried to milk it and got stung.
 
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My point was am I supposed to try and get a 9 to fold if at all possible,or am I actually wanting to risk being outdrawn,by dragging the hand on.It might look ABC to you,but you've obviously failed to note that it's a $1 MTT where people like me play, who don't really have much of a clue of the finer points of the game,and in my case much of a clue about any of it really.

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You are not trying to get a 9 to fold, but it's unlikely a 9 folds ever anyways. You can get it in on the flop or later if you think he is more likely to call with other hands besides a 9 later on. But you are never folding this hand.

ssnyc 10-03-2007 09:27 PM

Re: $1 MTT Flopped a boat,tried to milk it and got stung.
 
no you want to milk a 9 for every dollar

Turlock 10-04-2007 03:59 AM

Re: $1 MTT Flopped a boat,tried to milk it and got stung.
 
Thanks for your help guys,it's much appriciated.


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