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lippy 10-03-2007 05:37 AM

Johan Santana says he\'d waive his NTC, what could your team offer?
 
http://www.startribune.com/twins/story/1458559.html
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog...e=olney_buster

Minnesota will more than likely be unable to afford to resign Santana after the '08 season, so they'll have to look into trading him this off-season.

Minnesota would be looking for offensive help, mainly at 3B, LF and DH and would probably want a 3-4 starter as well.

Buster Olney came up with

Santana P
Bartlett SS

for

J. Reyes SS
M. Pelfrey P
C. Gomez OF

This trade would be seemingly beneficial for each side.



Play GM for a day, what would your team offer for The Best Pitcher in the Universe?

bones 10-03-2007 05:44 AM

Re: Johan Santana says he\'d waive his NTC, what could your team offer?
 
Jason Bay and Steelers season tickets.

kyleb 10-03-2007 05:53 AM

Re: Johan Santana says he\'d waive his NTC, what could your team offer?
 
JOSE REYES ARE YOU KIDDING ME

FOR ONE YEAR OF SANTANTANTKJANDGKJSLNGSDINSDLHNSDPHSJDHKS OH GOD MY HEAD IJAIGJDGKJDSLGKSDLGN

youtalkfunny 10-03-2007 06:16 AM

Re: Johan Santana says he\'d waive his NTC, what could your team offer?
 
Does the name Clay Buchholz mean anything to you?


<font color="white">Too bad! You can't have him! </font>

kyleb 10-03-2007 06:18 AM

Re: Johan Santana says he\'d waive his NTC, what could your team offer?
 
why would santana sign an extension? he should test free agency for sure. [censored] that noise.

gehrig 10-03-2007 07:37 AM

Re: Johan Santana says he\'d waive his NTC, what could your team offer?
 
if they trade santana the twins are gonna make out like bandits

one year of a great player getting paid a lot typically isn't worth one average regular who's a couple years away from hitting arb

MCS 10-03-2007 07:44 AM

Re: Johan Santana says he\'d waive his NTC, what could your team offer?
 
What would we personally try to give, or what would our team reasonably offer?

Yankees sign and trade A-Rod? Braves trade Texeira plus some excellent prospect? I don't know.

mrkilla 10-03-2007 07:54 AM

Re: Johan Santana says he\'d waive his NTC, what could your team offer?
 
who the [censored] trades Jose Reyes , ever...he may need to grow up a little more but he's in no way gone "down hill" even slightly

Suigin406 10-03-2007 08:08 AM

Re: Johan Santana says he\'d waive his NTC, what could your team offer?
 
what the [censored] with including reyes in any deal...doubt the twins could take arod's contract, even if the yankees pay a significant portion...

gah, y do i think the braves will make a play here?? didn't they dump a few of their good prospects to get tex??

NT! 10-03-2007 08:50 AM

Re: Johan Santana says he\'d waive his NTC, what could your team offer?
 
we'll give you garnett back if johan signs a five-year extension

hoyasnaxa 10-03-2007 09:51 AM

Re: Johan Santana says he\'d waive his NTC, what could your team offer?
 
phillies give: adam eaton, jose mesa, abraham nunez

twins: santana

SL__72 10-03-2007 10:22 AM

Re: Johan Santana says he\'d waive his NTC, what could your team offer?
 
I read a rumor about like Matt Kemp and Clayton Kershaw for Johan a few days ago.

punkass 10-03-2007 10:27 AM

Re: Johan Santana says he\'d waive his NTC, what could your team offer?
 
[ QUOTE ]
phillies give: adam eaton, jose mesa, abraham nunez

twins: santana

[/ QUOTE ]

surely the phillies can unload more people we don't want! throw in alfonseca too!

tolbiny 10-03-2007 10:50 AM

Re: Johan Santana says he\'d waive his NTC, what could your team offer?
 
[ QUOTE ]


Play GM for a day, what would your team offer for The Best Pitcher in the Universe?

[/ QUOTE ]

Indians offer Ryan Garko and Cliff Lee.

THAY3R 10-03-2007 11:03 AM

Re: Johan Santana says he\'d waive his NTC, what could your team offer?
 
Andy Phillips and Tyler Clippard?

bottomset 10-03-2007 11:08 AM

Re: Johan Santana says he\'d waive his NTC, what could your team offer?
 
can MN please include Nick Punto in any deal, so Gardenhire doesn't get the idiotic urge to play him

pretty please

Mike Gallo 10-03-2007 11:10 AM

Re: Johan Santana says he\'d waive his NTC, what could your team offer?
 
Carlos Beltran, Lastings Milledge and Mike Pelfrey for Santana.

SL__72 10-03-2007 11:16 AM

Re: Johan Santana says he\'d waive his NTC, what could your team offer?
 
[ QUOTE ]
can MN please include Nick Punto in any deal, so Gardenhire doesn't get the idiotic urge to play him

pretty please

[/ QUOTE ]

Johan +57 VORP
+Punto -27 VORP
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Trade total =30 VORP

AbreuTime 10-03-2007 11:24 AM

Re: Johan Santana says he\'d waive his NTC, what could your team offer?
 
[ QUOTE ]
if they trade santana the twins are gonna make out like bandits

one year of a great player getting paid a lot typically isn't worth one average regular who's a couple years away from hitting arb

[/ QUOTE ]
This is why a club offering a [censored] for Santana would demand that they have the opportunity to sign him to an extension first. The Twins only receive mega-value if the team can sign Santana to an extension.

g-bebe 10-03-2007 11:28 AM

Re: Johan Santana says he\'d waive his NTC, what could your team offer?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Andy Phillips and Tyler Clippard?

[/ QUOTE ]

add Sean Henn, and we'll fax you the papers

nutshot2 10-03-2007 11:35 AM

Re: Johan Santana says he\'d waive his NTC, what could your team offer?
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Andy Phillips and Tyler Clippard?

[/ QUOTE ]

add Sean Henn, and we'll fax you the papers

[/ QUOTE ]

plzplzpzplzpzlpzplzplzplz happen

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Kurn, son of Mogh 10-03-2007 11:35 AM

Re: Johan Santana says he\'d waive his NTC, what could your team offer?
 
Coco Crisp, Brandon Moss, and Jon Lester for Santana.

BowToYourSensei 10-03-2007 11:43 AM

Re: Johan Santana says he\'d waive his NTC, what could your team offer?
 
giants offer barry zito and at&amp;t park

metsandfinsfan 10-03-2007 11:43 AM

Re: Johan Santana says he\'d waive his NTC, what could your team offer?
 
humber, pelfrey, gomez, and gotay

IlliniLou 10-03-2007 11:46 AM

Re: Johan Santana says he\'d waive his NTC, what could your team offer?
 
Cubs get- Santana
Twins get- Rich Hill, Murton, Cedeno

kbfc 10-03-2007 11:47 AM

Re: Johan Santana says he\'d waive his NTC, what could your team offer?
 
One hundred thousand dollars.

Kurn, son of Mogh 10-03-2007 11:48 AM

Re: Johan Santana says he\'d waive his NTC, what could your team offer?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Does the name Clay Buchholz mean anything to you?


<font color="white">Too bad! You can't have him! </font>

[/ QUOTE ]

The Sox can put together a good package (I suggested one) that doesn't include Buccholtz, who (too add a little reality) is still just a prospect who hasn't done anything Wilson Alvarez didnt do.

Scary_Tiger 10-03-2007 11:51 AM

Re: Johan Santana says he\'d waive his NTC, what could your team offer?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Coco Crisp, Brandon Moss, and Jon Lester for Santana.

[/ QUOTE ]

Crisp and Moss would actually be useful parts for Minnesota. If the Twins are high on Lester this might be realistic, but it's likely they'll hold out for a better pitching prospect or want another young infielder.

kyro 10-03-2007 11:59 AM

Re: Johan Santana says he\'d waive his NTC, what could your team offer?
 
[ QUOTE ]
we'll give you garnett back if johan signs a five-year extension

[/ QUOTE ]

ha

wisehandpoker 10-03-2007 12:06 PM

Re: Johan Santana says he\'d waive his NTC, what could your team offer?
 
[ QUOTE ]
One hundred thousand dollars.

[/ QUOTE ]

This might be the most reasonable offer in this thread thus far:P

EricLindros 10-03-2007 12:12 PM

Re: Johan Santana says he\'d waive his NTC, what could your team offer?
 
[ QUOTE ]
phillies give: adam eaton, jose mesa, abraham nunez

twins: santana

[/ QUOTE ]

How about Myers and Burrell?

Needle77 10-03-2007 12:15 PM

Re: Johan Santana says he\'d waive his NTC, what could your team offer?
 
Step 1: Mets Sign Vince Young.
Step 2: Vince Young leads Mets to 20-0 in spring training.
Step 3: Mets Trade Vince Young to Twins for Santana.
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Twins win World Series, Mets fans cry.

Needle77 10-03-2007 12:16 PM

Re: Johan Santana says he\'d waive his NTC, what could your team offer?
 
[ QUOTE ]
humber, pelfrey, gomez, and gotay

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't think I'd do this deal for 1 year of Santana. He'd have to sign an extension for me to give up Humber. Now take out Humber and Gomez, put in Guerra and Mulvy, then I would do it in a heartbeat.

tercet 10-03-2007 12:17 PM

Re: Johan Santana says he\'d waive his NTC, what could your team offer?
 
Jays - Rios and Accardo for Santana

SL__72 10-03-2007 12:18 PM

Re: Johan Santana says he\'d waive his NTC, what could your team offer?
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
we'll give you garnett back if johan signs a five-year extension

[/ QUOTE ]

ha

[/ QUOTE ]

Can we have Papi and Randy too? [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Sayitloudernow 10-03-2007 12:21 PM

Re: Johan Santana says he\'d waive his NTC, what could your team offer?
 
[ QUOTE ]
giants offer barry zito and at&amp;t park

[/ QUOTE ]

and brian roberts and omar vizquel and pedro feliz and ryan klesko.

Suigin406 10-03-2007 12:26 PM

Re: Johan Santana says he\'d waive his NTC, what could your team offer?
 
mota + schoenwuss + glavine, let us gogogo

dkgojackets 10-03-2007 12:34 PM

Re: Johan Santana says he\'d waive his NTC, what could your team offer?
 
I can save time because Florida never offers to get established players.

I don't think I would trade Hanley for him straight up though. Or Cabrera.

metsandfinsfan 10-03-2007 12:34 PM

Re: Johan Santana says he\'d waive his NTC, what could your team offer?
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
humber, pelfrey, gomez, and gotay

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't think I'd do this deal for 1 year of Santana. He'd have to sign an extension for me to give up Humber. Now take out Humber and Gomez, put in Guerra and Mulvy, then I would do it in a heartbeat.

[/ QUOTE ]

i dont think mets are getting him without giving him an extension .. so my offer was assuming 7 year 120 mil extension

Suigin406 10-03-2007 12:35 PM

Re: Johan Santana says he\'d waive his NTC, what could your team offer?
 
he's gonna want more than 7/120 imo


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