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guffel 10-03-2007 05:05 AM

3-bet flush draw oop
 
100 BB stacks, five-handed.

CO opens, I 3-bet w/ Tc8c from SB, BB cold calls. CO folds.

Flop is Kc Jc 2h

Eff stacks are a little less than three times the pot.

Now what?

jballer88 10-03-2007 06:20 AM

Re: 3-bet flush draw oop
 
coldcalls from the blinds from my experience arent anywhere near as scary as they seem, theyre often 99-JJ AQ AJ type hands. I think flop bet of 2/3-3/4 pot is mandatory, obviously folding to a shove. Also I think you have to shove some blank turns so he cant easily get to showdown with like QQ AJ TT. If he flat calls and you turn your flush i like shoving smoe turns and crai others.

guffel 10-03-2007 06:37 AM

Re: 3-bet flush draw oop
 
If I bet 70% of the pot I (barely) get the odds to call a shove vs {KK+, JJ, AKs, AKo}.

Borned_Luckbox1 10-03-2007 08:24 AM

Re: 3-bet flush draw oop
 
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obviously folding to a shove.

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??

holdemvin 10-03-2007 08:39 AM

Re: 3-bet flush draw oop
 
how does BB play?? lots of fish smooth here pf with 55-tt

JFsports 10-03-2007 08:51 AM

Re: 3-bet flush draw oop
 
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If I bet 70% of the pot I (barely) get the odds to call a shove vs {KK+, JJ, AKs, AKo}.

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Then I would bet/call 3/4 pot or so. I doubt he would just call with JJ or AK, so if he calls I would probably shove the turn.

guffel 10-03-2007 09:01 AM

Re: 3-bet flush draw oop
 
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how does BB play?? lots of fish smooth here pf with 55-tt

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Assume no reads.

aditya 10-03-2007 09:58 AM

Re: 3-bet flush draw oop
 
c/r all in.

kaah 10-03-2007 10:47 AM

Re: 3-bet flush draw oop
 
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obviously folding to a shove.

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ouh. Dont do that please. (after betting)

checkriase allin/get freecard is sexy

Hattifnatt 10-03-2007 10:50 AM

Re: 3-bet flush draw oop
 
just bet/call.

FireStorm 10-03-2007 11:05 AM

Re: 3-bet flush draw oop
 
Betting 70% of the pot and calling a shove seems fine.

ChrisV 10-03-2007 11:35 AM

Re: 3-bet flush draw oop
 
I like CRAI and bet/fold turn if he checks behind. Bet/call flop is OK but puts you in a nasty spot when they flat call and a blank turns.

guffel 10-03-2007 12:14 PM

Re: 3-bet flush draw oop
 
To the b/c people: If the stacks are a bit deeper, say 130BB, do we bet-fold, or change our line to crai?

I think I have some balancing issues with crai, but I guess that's my problem. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

guffel 10-04-2007 11:25 AM

Re: 3-bet flush draw oop
 
After having talked to some other people and given it some more thought myself, I think that crai is the best alternative. The reason I hesitated was the balancing part, I hardly ever do this with the goods. If he checks behind, I get a free card and can comfortably bet/fold a blank turn. If he bets, I guess I could fold, but the hand is good enough to balance crai with da nuts.

What about you guys, do you ever crai with KK/JJ here w/o read?


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