Most +EV ? AKs preflop
 

CO is 16/8/21 and deep with me
SB is 44/9

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SB ($18.65)
Hero ($50.90)
UTG ($23.65)
MP ($2.80)
CO ($50.65)
Button ($51.65)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $2.8 (All-In)</font>, CO calls $2.80, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls $2.70, <font color="#CC3333"> Hero? </font>

What's my best +EV move, I guess I crush their holdings

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I'd raise to like $15.. if SB calls that's ok.. CO will probably fold his small pair or suited stuff he's playing.

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and calls if CO shoves?

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I guess it depends on your read of CO.. most people aren't calling AA behind an all in there hoping someone squeezes unless you or SB are habitual squeezers, but most people at 25nl don't even think like that. I think I'd call his all because I just wouldn't believe he would play AA or KK like that.

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yes you must squeeze this preflop, AK hates 4 handed

ild probably fold if CO shoves, call/push shows alot of strength but i doubt he will push

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I guess it depends on your read of CO.. most people aren't calling AA behind an all in there hoping someone squeezes unless you or SB are habitual squeezers, but most people at 25nl don't even think like that. I think I'd call his all because I just wouldn't believe he would play AA or KK like that.

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hes thinking would more likely be "zomg AA, ill call to get more people in the pot and not raise them off there hands.....zomg a raise, that guy must have a strong hand and we are deep ill PUUSHH"

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Raise to $12. Instacall if SB pushes... CO is trickier. It really depends whether or not he can cold call AA and KK here. Like it's hard for me to imagine him pushing a worse hand than AKs here, so I guess I'd fold. If he pushes back over, I'd say a loose range is like, 88+, AK, AQ maybe. I'd fold there, since I think his range is actually much tighter.

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CO a thinking player at all? Sure he's nitty, but he looks SUPER aggressive (agg factor 21???), and that leads me to think he might be smart enough to be able to spot a squeeze. (your raise). This may or may not make him smart enough to find a "good" spot to resqueeze.

This possibility makes me think raising 12-15pf and calling a shove from either of these guys is probably the best thing you can do.

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The 21 aggression factor just means he doesn't call postflop.. most people don't include the preflop agg numbers in.

Even if it does, this is an easy 4bet to $14 bc with his stats, is he ever flatcalling AA/KK to "trap" a halfstack?

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$16.22 call shove.

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I definitely raise here, just wondered how much and if a shove is an option

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Definitely a raise, and a pretty nice sized one since you will be playing OOP against CO if he calls.

I would call a shove by either player. People usually aren't that stupid to call with AA or KK and only *hope* that someone reraises. I easily think you have the best hand here and at worst you'd be against a lower PP.

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Raise of course....like $16.


Call a shove from SB.
Probably call a shove from CO.

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I don't get why everyone is saying to call a shove from CO. If CO is going to put 200bb in preflop, he def cant be putting it in with AQ or less. And if hes got JJ/QQ, we flip for 2 buyins, and dominated by KK/AA. Someone said that theres no way he has AA/KK, but I think there's a hugeeeee possibility that he can, if hes gonna shove preflop.

We def have to raise it up here. I think raising to $10 is the same as $14+ which other ppl are saying. A raise to $10 would be the same and we save a few dollars and less committ ourselves in case CO shoves and we have to muck.

So after we 3bet, I don't understand why we want to call a shove/4bet (unless its a minraise) from the CO?
I myself, do not know how to play AK properly, but is this normal for ppl to be getting it all in for 100bb+ with AK?

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A 200BB shove from a 16/8 is really bad news - don't call that with AK.

Having said that, I doubt if he's trapping so as others have said, raise &amp; call a push from SB. Fold to a push from CO.

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and calls if CO shoves?

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I would lay the hand down CO shoves. Why he wouldn't re-raise preflop to begin with if he had AA-KK is a mystery to me. I would pop the callers to about $13-15. Don't make seeing the flop cheap.

AC

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i *highly* doubt CO will shove - basically i'm saying you're discussing a situation that will happen once a year in your poker life, so it's not worth discussing, imo.

That said, definitely 3-bet pf - you'll take it down the majority of the time and if called, you have a pretty damn good hand to play with.