Here we go again - QQ in the hole against a huge re-raise pre-flop..
 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (9 handed)

5$ re-buy + add-on tourney, 900 left out of 2k entries.

Villain played pretty tight 'n aggressive.

Hero (t11455)
SB (t7740)
BB (t12550)
UTG (t25710)
UTG+1 (t21145)
MP1 (t19550)
MP2 (t13456)
MP3 (t29370)
CO (t37280)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, CO calls t300, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t1200</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t11725</font>, Hero ???

Re: Here we go again - QQ in the hole against a huge re-raise pre-flop..
 

vs. {JJ+, AK} QQ has 48% pre-flop equity, so I don't think calling is wrong. Hellmuth would probably fold thinking he can find better spots against softer players at the table and that's fine too. Villain might see your button raise as a steal attempt and is trying to re-steal, I say call. At the $5 table I'd be more worried if he opened for a min raise and then pushed all in. In fact, I'm not sure I could ever fold QQ preflop at a $5 table not just because I'm more cavalier about the $5, but I know that the $5 players make a lot more mistakes, like overbettting the pot.

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i beat him to the pot, unless you have a huge history of raising limps I dont see him limping AA,KK in hopes that someone raises after he limps ESP in late position

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Who's playing AA,KK this way? God bless him if he did, but we're seeing scared 77-JJ too much to fold here. Call.

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PLZ FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DONT FOLD

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Who's playing AA,KK this way?

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Me

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Who's playing AA,KK this way?

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Me

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you suck

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Have you ever read TPFAP? "If you bust, you're busto" (I paraphrased). That means you only get one shot. Calling off your whole stack w/ one pair. Meh. I'll pass and laugh when I have all the chips @ the end of the tournament (meaning, after I've won).

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I think I am calling this, I have been seeing players doing this with some strong hands something like AA, or KK, but more often I see smaller pp's and something like AK, KQ, KJ, QJ, and hands like that. People get pissed that you are stealing and think you are doing it with anything and that you will fold to a raise. There are only two hands you don't want to see AA and KK and that is not enough to make me fold. Especially with his stack size.

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That means you only get one shot. Calling off your whole stack w/ one pair. Meh. I'll pass and laugh when I have all the chips @ the end of the tournament.

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Hard to call off your whole stack preflop with a flush.

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PLZ FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DONT FOLD

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Have you ever read TPFAP? "If you bust, you're busto" (I paraphrased). That means you only get one shot. Calling off your whole stack w/ one pair. Meh. I'll pass and laugh when I have all the chips @ the end of the tournament (meaning, after I've won).

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They have any pair or some other stuff that looks pretty and we have a really big AND pretty pair.

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Have you ever read TPFAP? "If you bust, you're busto" (I paraphrased). That means you only get one shot. Calling off your whole stack w/ one pair. Meh. I'll pass and laugh when I have all the chips @ the end of the tournament (meaning, after I've won).

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Mike, this is the middle of a $5 rebuy tournament.
If poker could be reduced to (true) one line slogans, people wouldn't still be playing it.

This advice is terrible here, and almost all situations. Don't think putting 10% of your stack in and folding is something you do without penalty. Passing up edges just because you don't want to bust out also comes at a pretty high price.

This is a situation where you're going to find yourself crushed a good % of the time, and you'll remember those a lot longer than the times you called and he had T9s or 88 and he decided he could push you off your hand because he's a big stack. That doesn't make folding the right play.

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Have you ever read TPFAP? "If you bust, you're busto" (I paraphrased). That means you only get one shot. Calling off your whole stack w/ one pair. Meh. I'll pass and laugh when I have all the chips @ the end of the tournament (meaning, after I've won).

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Mike you must be an unbelievable player but us mere mortals have to take a few chances to get chips...in this hand I think we have to call and dodge AJish type junk

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Never mind the shove, what hands open limp the CO with 100BB?

You say he has played tight and agressive, that would generally mean that he doesn't open limp often at all. The hands that a tight-aggressive player (of the decent type) are most likely to open limp the CO with are suited Aces, suited connectors, and 22-88. I think this type of player is usually open raising 99+ and 2 face card type hands.

Given his chipstack, I think he might be slightly more inclined to limp a big hand than if he had say a 10k stack. So this should be taken into account as well.

IMO he has 1 of 4 types of hand and each are pretty close to equally likely after discounting for how often he might shove each and how often he is dealt certain combos. If he is equally likely to have each: a big pair (like AA or KK), a small pair (22-88), a suited Ace (like As9s), or a suited connector (like 9s8s), then we have about 59% equity. We have 50% equity if you make AA and KK equal to half of his range (50% of the time he turns over AA or KK, and the rest of the time he turns over one of the other hands).

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Have you ever read TPFAP? "If you bust, you're busto" (I paraphrased). That means you only get one shot. Calling off your whole stack w/ one pair. Meh. I'll pass and laugh when I have all the chips @ the end of the tournament (meaning, after I've won).

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Mike you must be an unbelievable player but us mere mortals have to take a few chances to get chips...in this hand I think we have to call and dodge AJish type junk

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He's levelling.