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ikestoys 10-02-2007 06:44 PM

Obama says what?
 
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Democrat Barack Obama called for ridding the world of nuclear weapons Tuesday and offered his early opposition to the Iraq war as evidence of sound judgment that trumps his lack of Washington experience.

Obama argued that U.S. policy is still focused on the defunct Soviet Union instead of combatting the nuclear threat from rogue nations and terrorists. The United States shouldn't unilaterally disarm, he said, but it must work with other nations to phase out weapons and control atomic material.


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Nearly everyone likes Obamas personality (including me), but he can't keep reinforcing the notion that he is naive about world affairs if he wants be elected President.

iron81 10-02-2007 06:47 PM

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What's naive about it? Maintaining our nuclear arsenal while working to phase out nuclear weapons (START treaties) and control atomic material (Nunn-Luger) is exactly what we've been doing the last 20 years.

ikestoys 10-02-2007 06:50 PM

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Except we haven't thought that we'd be able to maintain tight enough control over nuclear material to get rid of our weapons

Mr_Moore 10-02-2007 06:50 PM

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He has my vote! For real.

ikestoys 10-02-2007 06:53 PM

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Don't get me wrong, its a lovely goal, but how can someone seriously say we've had control of nuclear arms in the last 20-30 years with Pakistan, India and N. Korea(maybe) going nuclear? What about emerging nuclear programs in the Middle East? It doesn't seem we can guarantee a reduction in nuclear arms anywhere anytime in the near future.

Mr_Moore 10-02-2007 07:08 PM

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Don't get me wrong, its a lovely goal, but how can someone seriously say we've had control of nuclear arms in the last 20-30 years with Pakistan, India and N. Korea(maybe) going nuclear? What about emerging nuclear programs in the Middle East? It doesn't seem we can guarantee a reduction in nuclear arms anywhere anytime in the near future.

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Maybe you can, if you lead the way.

Salerosa 10-02-2007 07:24 PM

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He has my vote! For real.

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Better turn out for the primary then.

Bump_Bailey 10-02-2007 07:51 PM

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I'm sure we could get rid of half of them and still destroy the world 7 or 8 times.

Ron Burgundy 10-02-2007 07:55 PM

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This is standard democrat talk. They've been repeating this idealogical fantasy for as long as I've been alive. And they'll keep doing it every election. They say it because it works (gets applause).

Mr_Moore 10-02-2007 07:57 PM

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This is standard democrat talk. They've been repeating this idealogical fantasy for as long as I've been alive. And they'll keep doing it every election. They say it because it works (gets applause).

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Exactly what are you implying here?!

madnak 10-02-2007 08:03 PM

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It's a pretty statement so vague it could be used to justify almost anything. Pretty standard. And he does make his opposition to war clear, which makes him far superior to Clinton and Giuliani.

What are you asking for? Concrete commitments from a campaigning politician? War against Iran? Look, he's keeping the nukes and maintaining a condition of mutually assured destruction, but he's doing it in a way that makes him look like part of the disarmament crowd. Seems shrewd to me.

tomdemaine 10-03-2007 05:38 AM

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This is standard democrat talk. They've been repeating this idealogical fantasy for as long as I've been alive. And they'll keep doing it every election. They say it because it works (gets applause).

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Exactly what are you implying here?!

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Jamougha 10-03-2007 07:46 AM

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It's not actually very clear from the article wtf he is proposing. However

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the concept has the backing of at least two former Republican secretaries of state, Henry Kissinger and George Shultz

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If Kissinger supports it then it's hardly likely to be simply playing to the liberal gallery.


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