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5 10 on ftp

jedimind tricks raises in hijack to 35

random calls in co or button, i repot to like 145 in BB w. KK and jedi folds random calls


random has about 700 to start the hand

flop comes 9 8 7 two tone and I cbet 130 and he miniraises

isnt this the worst flop possible for my hand?

Re: KK
 

no its not, and shove

Re: KK
 

This is a terrible flop, agreed, only worse non-ace flops would be things akin to QJ9, or monosuited etc. As played, for his stack size, I'm probably not folding, but this is a gross spot.

Re: KK
 

so if we aren't folding whats best call and see a turn and likely openshove since giving 2 free ones can really suck here or just jam flop

Re: KK
 

I think a minraise here usually means either a set or more of a pure bluff than a semibluff (AQ, or AK come to mind). I think that changes the strategy you should use.

I don't think I'm ever folding here. I might min 4 bet and shove any non A turn. Or call and bet small on the turn.

Re: KK
 

i jam flop. he's hand range is wide if he's calling your rr given he only starts the hand with 700.

Re: KK
 

I think this is a really easy fold. Seems like the most standard way-behind/slightly ahead position possible, especially since he's unknown (and presumably not a regular who you'd need to worry about being exploited against, etc).

Re: KK
 

If his hand range is wide that probably hurts us more than helps us (makes stuff like JT more possible)... also even if his PF hand range is wide that doesn't mean his minraising range on a board like this is wide (which I don't think it is)

Re: KK
 

is this a level??

Re: KK
 

doesn't mean his minraising range on a board like this is wide (which I don't think it is)

agreed

but I do think it includes some hands that are worse than mine such as pair+fd/straight draw or 66, 55, TT, JJ, QQ maybe

certainly two pair/sets/straights as well which I am super [censored] against but its hard to determine whether he has it or not here without shoving and seeing if he calls......does that make it the right play? idk

discuss

Re: KK
 

if he has a set he is a donk. putting in 1/6th of his stack with 7s,8s or 9s on a 2 street max action game is a fast way to lose imo.

if he has high card strength he should be rr or folding pf as a general rule imo.

from his preflop play i class him as a bad player, so trying to put him on an accurate hand range is hard, thus given the amount already in the pot i think a shove is fine/good.

Re: KK
 

Easy shove.

Re: KK
 

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if he has a set he is a donk. putting in 1/6th of his stack with 7s,8s or 9s on a 2 street max action game is a fast way to lose imo.

if he has high card strength he should be rr or folding pf as a general rule imo.

from his preflop play i class him as a bad player, so trying to put him on an accurate hand range is hard, thus given the amount already in the pot i think a shove is fine/good.

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I'm confused. You think he's bad because he called and then called again preflop? or you think he's bad if he has a set here, or you think he's bad if he has high card strength?

I disagree with the 'if he has high card strength he should be rr or folding pf as a general rule'. that seems bad to me.

I do agree that calling the 3bet preflop with 77-99 is going to be bad against most villains.

I don't think that call,call preflop immediately makes him a bad player. I think this might be a good way to play QQ+ and maybe AK

Re: KK
 

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I think this is a really easy fold. Seems like the most standard way-behind/slightly ahead position possible, especially since he's unknown (and presumably not a regular who you'd need to worry about being exploited against, etc).

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its a minraise... i'm trying really hard not to be mean to you btw


just push an overpair for 70bb, can't be that hard to do

Re: KK
 

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I don't think that call,call preflop immediately makes him a bad player. I think this might be a good way to play QQ+ and maybe AK


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PLaying AK likethis would be bad imo.

I push but I don't think we're great vs his range. We have enough equity to get it in anyway.

Re: KK
 

Is it a typo or did you c-bet less than 1/2 pot?

Re: KK
 

sorry i mean i think it's bad to call grims rr with 77,88,99. given that grim will likely always fire a flop and you will 7 in 8 of missed your set and be clueless as to your relative strength.

my rr or folding for high card strength is probably just a mood thing, it's how im playing at the moment.

agreed call-call pf is a fine way to play QQ+ AK but i'd
expect him in general to rr pf.

edit: actually not AK, agree with nick this is an autoshove with AK when grim rr.

Re: KK
 

He has 55 call and shove a safe turn

Re: KK
 

lol shove wtf

Re: KK
 

min 3 bet and fold to a shove

Re: KK
 

This is a great flop to check shove.

Re: KK
 

he puts you on AQ, so whether or not you think he can beat that should determine whether you shove now or call and let him shove the turn

Re: KK
 

omg when did u become Total crap in your poker grim?

Re: KK
 

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I think this is a really easy fold. Seems like the most standard way-behind/slightly ahead position possible, especially since he's unknown (and presumably not a regular who you'd need to worry about being exploited against, etc).

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no!

Re: KK
 

I'd go allin without much thought here against someone with $700. Then again I spew a lot. But I think you're ahead here most of the time and he's gonna call with a ton of worse hands.

Re: KK
 

lol at people folding.

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lol at people folding.

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Re: KK
 

this hand is [censored] bc of your flop betsize

fwiw i think it is close but i still prolly stick it in there

Re: KK
 

Aren't you the grim that can't fold top pair for the life of you?

Re: KK
 

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Aren't you the grim that can't fold AQ for the life of you?

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min 3 bet and fold to a shove

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I would make my 3bet to 391 to throw villain off his game, and for information.

Re: KK
 

then FTP would buzz at your because you dont have enough in your stack to make the bet

Re: KK
 

Isn't AA like a huge part of his range

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Isn't AA like a huge part of his range

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Re: KK
 

You have to shove or am I missing something?

I'm prob not folding this against anyone but

a) he's random and is therefore probably terrible
b) he's playing without a full buyin and is therefore probably terrible
c) he's called a raise and then a 3-bet and is therefore probably on the weak side
d) he's minraised and is therefore probably terrible

Points a,b,c and d lead me to conclude he's probably terrible. Therefore he has a wider range than most. A set is very possible given action, but there are a lot of other hands he can have.

I also don't get why you c-bet so small instead of checkraising or betting a more 'standard' amount. Unless it was to induce a raise?!

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Isn't AA like a huge part of his range

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No it's not..

Re: KK
 

I just shove and stop thinking about the hand

Re: KK
 

wow.

Re: KK
 

sit in more often

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min 3 bet and fold to a shove

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I would make my 3bet to 391 to throw villain off his game, and for information.

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IMSA, how do you comment on poker play being a short-stacker? Don't you need SOME experience actually playing poker to comment? It is absurd when you comment on poker strategy, since all you do is shove, limp/shove and limp/fold.