Yes! I rivered him. Wait. WTF? (NL100)
 

Villain is complete unknown. Please no "fold preflop" advice. If you think this is a clear fold then would you call with 9s8s? KsJs? If its a call then do you call with AK? Assuming we get to the river by checking the turn both times, which I wouldn't typically do with a flush.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP2 ($99)
MP3 ($118.80)
CO ($58.20)
Hero ($205.20)
SB ($162.50)
BB ($101.50)
UTG ($47.50)
UTG+1 ($181.15)
MP1 ($88.15)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls $1, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $5</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls $4.

Flop: ($11.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $8</font>, MP1 calls $8.

Turn: ($27.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP1 checks, Hero checks.

River: ($27.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets $75.15 (All-In)</font>, Hero ???

Re: Yes! I rivered him. Wait. WTF? (NL100)
 

definitely a fold.

I think the bottom of my calling range would be the nut flush

Re: Yes! I rivered him. Wait. WTF? (NL100)
 

I'd fold it.

Re: Yes! I rivered him. Wait. WTF? (NL100)
 

Mike,

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If you think this is a clear fold then would you call with 9s8s? KsJs?

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I'm definitely calling with any FH I ever make here as I suppose all others would too.

Re: Yes! I rivered him. Wait. WTF? (NL100)
 

Pretty easy fold. Nut flush and probably 2nd nut flush I'm calling here.

Re: Yes! I rivered him. Wait. WTF? (NL100)
 

Sucks, but readless I guess I fold.

You only beat a bluff really.

And also, his line is consistant with a passively played set turned into a FH.

Re: Yes! I rivered him. Wait. WTF? (NL100)
 

use 20bb stack preflop ldo

Re: Yes! I rivered him. Wait. WTF? (NL100)
 

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use 20bb stack preflop ldo

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I said no "fold preflop" advice please. Don't think I don't see what this statement implies.

Re: Yes! I rivered him. Wait. WTF? (NL100)
 

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Mike,

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If you think this is a clear fold then would you call with 9s8s? KsJs?

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I'm definitely calling with any FH I ever make here as I suppose all others would too.

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Pretty much any FH. I don't think I would make the call with the nut flush. I read a post in the high stakes forum the other day about overbets from level 1 thinkers and they are usually for value. It was some where in the their best of thread if you want to peruse for it. I also posted a link to it in the landlord's theorem thread

Re: Yes! I rivered him. Wait. WTF? (NL100)
 

*grunch*

He just rivered a boat and wants the flush to pay off. Probably eights full. Get out.

Now I read the thread.

Re: Yes! I rivered him. Wait. WTF? (NL100)
 

I think you should call. No wait I am kidding fold you are not beating anything but a bluff.

Re: Yes! I rivered him. Wait. WTF? (NL100)
 

Fold, seems like a value shove from a rivered boat. I'm calling with at least the nut flush.

Re: Yes! I rivered him. Wait. WTF? (NL100)
 

I was the Villian in this hand, I had A8 of hearts and was trying to check raise the turn, after the check behind, i pushed figuring it would look like a bluff and maybe get called by a big Ace or maybe KK/QQ that wanted to make a hero call.

Re: Yes! I rivered him. Wait. WTF? (NL100)
 

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I was the Villian in this hand, I had A8 of hearts and was trying to check raise the turn, after the check behind, i pushed figuring it would look like a bluff and maybe get called by a big Ace or maybe KK/QQ that wanted to make a hero call.

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you weren't villain unless you got a new sn.

Re: Yes! I rivered him. Wait. WTF? (NL100)
 

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I was the Villian in this hand, I had A8 of hearts and was trying to check raise the turn, after the check behind, i pushed figuring it would look like a bluff and maybe get called by a big Ace or maybe KK/QQ that wanted to make a hero call.

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u are kidding right?

Re: Yes! I rivered him. Wait. WTF? (NL100)
 

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I was the Villian in this hand, I had A8 of hearts and was trying to check raise the turn, after the check behind, i pushed figuring it would look like a bluff and maybe get called by a big Ace or maybe KK/QQ that wanted to make a hero call.

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u are kidding right?

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yea...villain was an unknown. I have played with sandviper before.

Re: Yes! I rivered him. Wait. WTF? (NL100)
 

I think this is obv fold.. No one overbets for a bluff on a board like this at these stakes. I've called a few down...

Re: Yes! I rivered him. Wait. WTF? (NL100)
 

I conclude in situations like this that if villain bet 75 to win 27, well good for him. He's making a -300 money line bet, which might be ok if he were going to make 200 instead of 27.